scott, read your post re a trip with dwayne strosaker and the newbies. my overwhelming reaction to your post is, why paddle with the "excruciatingly slow" newbies if you hate it (it being their low skill level) so much? i am (like) one of those people....everyone has to start somewhere. when i get good at kayaking, though, maybe in a year or so, i hope i don't have contempt for people who go slow, who don't have much of a clue, or who have few skills. i hope i will encourage them and respect their willingness to learn and their courage to look like an idiot until they get it right. so don't come paddle up here with me, ok? you'll hate it! kcd ps if i found an instructor or someone else taking bets over whether or not i'd be one of the ones to capsize (in surf or not) i'd get my money back, and have some sever words for the "instructor" if it were a paid guided paddle. sorry, i teach professionally, and to me, that's (don't want to offend you here but i can't help it) bullshit. i hate belittling almost as much as you seem to hate newbies! kathleen comalli dillon~friend, mom, wife, musician, violinist, writer, ailurophile extraordinaire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We can do no great things; we can only do small things with great love."-Mother Teresa~~"I find a lot of people like chubby 67-year-old girls."-Beverly Sills~~"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."-Abraham Lincoln~~"Prepare to be assimila-----OOOOOoooooo, jelly donuts!"-Homer of Borg~~"I am Boris of Borg. Moose and Squirrel are irrelevant."~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:42 AM 11/28/00 -0800, timbre_at_best.com wrote: >scott, > >read your post re a trip with dwayne strosaker and the newbies. > >my overwhelming reaction to your post is, why paddle with the "excruciatingly slow" newbies if you hate it (it being >their low skill level) so much? I don't think your criticism is entirely justified, since Scott was not the organizer of the trip and was just there to help out. Nobody paid any money to go on that trip, and it wouldn't have worked at all if it wasn't for experienced paddlers like Scott to help Duane marshall the forces of chaos created by 20 so-called intermediate kayakers. As someone who has led beginning whitewater trips with 20+ kayakers, I can tell you that the magnitude of these forces of chaos are *quite* significant. It sounded like a very mellow trip, and I have no doubt that had there been a deep water capsize or other emergency that Scott would have been there to perform the rescue. Beginners flipping in 1 foot surf on a sandy beach is anything but an emergency 99% of the time, even if the beginner doesn't realize that yet. Hopefully the experienced paddlers had an eye out for that 1% problem, and it sounded like they did. If this is so, I also see no reason why the situation shouldn't be taken with amusement, since it was indeed entirely benign. People shouldn't be so serious that they can't laugh at their own mishaps, especially when learning something like kayaking! I write this as someone who occasionally gets paid real money to teach kayaking, and I know when it is appropriate for an instructor to micromanage a beginner's learning experience. Scott's position certainly did not require that level of consideration, though it certainly would have been nice if he had wanted to do so. There have been plenty of instructional trips that I have helped out on, but have not been obligated to do serious instruction. On these trips I am there to help with emergencies and give occasional instruction, but the main purpose is to selfishly have fun paddling. There's nothing wrong with that if it is appropriate for the circumstances. One other comment is that it was good thing Scott was paddling with the slowpokes if he was learning how to use a greenland paddle for the first time. It took me several long trips and a lot of roll practice to get truly comfortable and efficient with mine. Now I use it for everything sea kayak related and I shudder at the thought of paddling with a yucky piece of fiberglass in my hands. Greenland paddles are a wonder of efficient design, and learning how to use all of the different paddling techniques properly can make even the slowest and most boring flatwater paddling trip enjoyable. *grin* kevin Kevin Whilden Your Planet Earth http://www.yourplanetearth.org (206) 788-0281 (ph) (206) 788-0284 (f) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 00-11-28 14:41:39 EST, timbre_at_best.com writes: << kathleen comalli dillon~friend, mom, wife, musician, violinist, writer, ailurophile extraordinaire OK, I'll bite...ailurophile is not in my American Heritage (I think someone made a reference to this, but I must have deleted it). definition, please sandy kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sandy wrote: >>OK, I'll bite...ailurophile is not in my American Heritage (I think someone made a reference to this, but I must have deleted it). definition, please sandy kramer<< It means she loves cats. Melissa *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Anybody want to share some recipes for the upcoming holidays? Melissa Reese wrote: > > Sandy wrote: > > >>OK, I'll bite...ailurophile is not in my American Heritage (I think > someone made a reference to this, but I must have deleted it). > > definition, please > > sandy kramer<< > > It means she loves cats. > > Melissa -- : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://studiofurniture.com/paint paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:14 AM 11/29/00 -0500, Gabriel L Romeu wrote: >Anybody want to share some recipes for the upcoming holidays? well here it goes, a bottle of rum, and heck you don't even need glasses o drink out of if your with friends Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 11/28/00 11:33:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, timbre_at_best.com writes: << ps if i found an instructor or someone else taking bets over whether or not i'd be one of the ones to capsize (in surf or not) i'd get my money back, and have some sever words for the "instructor" if it were a paid guided paddle. sorry, i teach professionally, and to me, that's (don't want to offend you here but i can't help it) bullshit. i hate belittling almost as much as you seem to hate newbies! >> Kathleen, In So Cal we take swimming in the surf with a sense of humor. As for the group being slow, everyone was supposed to be at least an intermediate paddler. Duane *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 11/28/00 2:48:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, timbre_at_best.com writes: << scott, read your post re a trip with dwayne strosaker and the newbies. my overwhelming reaction to your post is, why paddle with the "excruciatingly slow" newbies if you hate it (it being their low skill level) so much? i am (like) one of those people....everyone has to start somewhere. when i get good at kayaking, though, maybe in a year or so, i hope i don't have contempt for people who go slow, who don't have much of a clue, or who have few skills. i hope i will encourage them and respect their willingness to learn and their courage to look like an idiot until they get it right. so don't come paddle up here with me, ok? you'll hate it! kcd ps if i found an instructor or someone else taking bets over whether or not i'd be one of the ones to capsize (in surf or not) i'd get my money back, and have some sever words for the "instructor" if it were a paid guided paddle. sorry, i teach professionally, and to me, that's (don't want to offend you here but i can't help it) bullshit. i hate belittling almost as much as you seem to hate newbies! kathleen comalli dillon~friend, mom, wife, musician, violinist, writer, ailurophile extraordinaire Kathleen, If I recall correctly, Scott's point was, at least in part, that this was not a trip for newbies, but for intermediate kayakers. I certainly agree with him that newbies should not go on intermediate trips. This has nothing to do with showing disrespect to newbies. Hank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<< read your post re a trip with dwayne strosaker and the newbies. my overwhelming reaction to your post is, why paddle with the "excruciatingly slow" newbies if you hate it (it being their low skill level) so much?>> When Duane posted the invite to this trip he said,"this is a social paddle for sea kayakers with intermediate skills." I ask you, Kathleen, just what does that mean to you? To me, that means basic skills and an ability to keep up with the group. The slower paddlers have a responsibility to paddle a little harder. Likewise, the faster paddlers have a responsibility to paddle a little more slowly, or, do like I did, paddle in circles, or zig zag, or whatever, but stay with the group. <> I don't believe I expressed contempt for the beginning paddlers. In fact, I thought I made it clear that I made of point of helping the group launch safely from the beach. I also tried very hard to help keep an eye on the group, as it being such a large one I figured Duane and Jim could use the help. When the people split off to explore the cove I went with them out of a sense of responsibility. Duane needed to stay with the main group, so I looked after the splinter group. You need to understand that I am used to being in charge, and I really was trying very hard not to be on this trip. As Kevin pointed out, I was not the organizer, and I was not being paid to be there. I tried to help out as much as possible without seeming to be taking over. Even though I could have easily stepped up and help run things, Duane did not ask me to do so, and I did not want to appear to be presenting a "subtle but pervasive message of smug superiority" as Mr. Paxton so eloquently put it. Most of these people on this trip did not know me. I have found that more times then not, people resent having a stranger step up and try to help. I generally try to downplay the fact that I work as a kayaking instructor. I did not introduce myself as such, and I doubt that very many of these folks knew it. If they had, then they probably would've been more receptive to my help. But like I said, I wasn't there to be an instructor. I was just another paddler on the trip. <<ps if i found an instructor or someone else taking bets over whether or not i'd be one of the ones to capsize (in surf or not) i'd get my money back, and have some sever words for the "instructor" if it were a paid guided paddle. sorry, i teach professionally, and to me, that's (don't want to offend you here but i can't help it) bullshit. i hate belittling almost as much as you seem to hate newbies! >> I really don't see that I was "belittling" anybody. Yes, I enjoyed some sense of humor in watching some of these folks capsize while trying to land. I have two teenage daughters, and I learned a long time ago that you can't hold their hands forever. At least not if you ever expect them to grow up and learn. While it would have been a nice jester on my part to catch each boat as it landed, I probably would've received as much resentment as gratitude form the various paddlers. Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
to scott and the list, first of all, this is my last public post on this. i don't want to start a tempest in a teapot or take up too much bandwidth. scott wrote, >When Duane posted the invite to this trip he said,"this is a social paddle for sea kayakers with intermediate skills." I ask you, Kathleen, just what does that mean to you? > i need to clarify. my use of the word "newbies" was inaccurate. i was distressed by your apparent frustration over paddlers less skilled than yourself; i got that it was advertised as an "intermediate" paddle, and used "newbies" to mean "less skilled" . i should have been more clear and used the latter nomenclature. i am sure it was good that you were there. i haven't heard a description before now of paddles with such a big group of people. however, i went on a guided paddle with 17 people, all beginners, and saw the potential for chaos. there were 3 instructors, though, and one advanced/experienced paddler who assisted. i am sure all were grateful for your assistance in launching, and though perhaps they didn't know it, would have benefited from your assistance in real trouble. what i was really getting at in my post was, who of us is so great that we can have no empathy for someone who also loves the sport (or field, or art) that we love? no one, i believe. didn't you start somewhere, didn't we all? i am a concert violinist....and i empathize with the beginners who, quite frankly, sound like crap. on my bad days, i sound like crap to myself, though no one would percieve that but me or another concert violinist!! but i know what they are going thru when they do things wrong or mess up. and i guess i was just thinking of how much guts it takes me to go out there, not caring what others think, and what long months and even years of learning and experience i have ahead of me before i will even reach "intermediate". and also i was thinking of how hurt my feelings would be if i knew others were making fun of me. i have teenagers too and i take your point about not babying people. it's a skill to find the balance between spoon-feeding them and leaving them so alone they get discouraged. anyway, as wes said the other day, peace, man, kcd kathleen comalli dillon~friend, mom, wife, musician, violinist, writer, ailurophile extraordinaire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We can do no great things; we can only do small things with great love."-Mother Teresa~~"I find a lot of people like chubby 67-year-old girls."-Beverly Sills~~"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."-Abraham Lincoln~~"Prepare to be assimila-----OOOOOoooooo, jelly donuts!"-Homer of Borg~~"I am Boris of Borg. Moose and Squirrel are irrelevant."~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Generally, if you plan a trip for paddlers of x skill level and a number show up possessing x minus y skill level, it is best to revamp the trip's level to their level. This is barring some very definite goal or destination in mind that is the purpose of the trip. For example, if the purpose of the trip is to paddle to some specific destination and that is the advertised/announced purpose of the trip and you need x skill or endurance to reach it, then you may want to tell the x minus y paddlers that this isn't a trip for them. Maybe some one might want to set up an impromptu trip for them of a shorter distance or that is less demanding. But if the purpose is just to go have some fun paddling here or there, the whole group could just scale down the parameters of the loosely structured trip. Of course, that isn't always apparent. Paddlers can show up who you don't know and they may be up to the trip or not up to the trip. It is something you will find out soon enough within the first half mile or so. I think that, generally, it is wise to be ready to re-assess the trip at about that time, i.e. at the half-mile level or so. As for the thought of having lesser skilled/stamina paddlers strive to keep up, that shouldn't be something to press at the beginning of a trip. If you do, you will tire them out or put them in over their heads. I find that the time to press people is on the way back if you need to beat a turn of currents or darkness, etc. But if you don't tax their stamina and skills on the way out, they usually will have something in them to reach for to get them back. BTW, this is all something I keep learning about. I think I basically made a mistake on a recent trip that did tax the stamina of some of the paddlers albeit everyone was up to the skill level required. I probably should have rethought it through earlier. Just because I know better doesn't mean I always listen to that voice in me. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Scott wrote: >>Yes, I enjoyed some sense of humor in watching some of these folks capsize while trying to land. << I believe a lot more people enjoy this too, but are afraid to admit it. If this WEREN'T true, I believe Wide World of Sports would never have played the "Agony of defeat" scene of the skier eatting it on a jump for almost a decade every weekend. Does everyone also know that guy wasn't badly hurt, it just LOOKED cool. jim gabriel *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
ralph diaz wrote: > > Generally, if you plan a trip for paddlers of x skill level and a number > show up possessing x minus y skill level, it is best to revamp the > trip's level to their level. This is barring some very definite goal or > destination in mind that is the purpose of the trip. > > For example, if the purpose of the trip is to paddle to some specific > destination and that is the advertised/announced purpose of the trip and > you need x skill or endurance to reach it, then you may want to tell the > x minus y paddlers that this isn't a trip for them. Maybe some one > might want to set up an impromptu trip for them of a shorter distance or > that is less demanding. But if the purpose is just to go have some fun > paddling here or there, the whole group could just scale down the > parameters of the loosely structured trip. > > Of course, that isn't always apparent. Paddlers can show up who you > don't know and they may be up to the trip or not up to the trip. It is > something you will find out soon enough within the first half mile or > so. I think that, generally, it is wise to be ready to re-assess the > trip at about that time, i.e. at the half-mile level or so. Ralph has dealt well with the realities of "all comers" paddles. The traps of offering such group experiences can be very insidious. In other sports (such as rock climbing) the participant generally has to have enough skill to **get** into trouble. Sea kayaking is not like that. That's the tough part. It is impossible to "quit" a dangerous crossing in the middle. The risk and demand for skills remain. I have a related dilemma to pose: a guy I sometimes paddle with regularly wimps out on easy crossings. He is so paranoid about capsizing he often will alter the angle he takes across a half-mile channel, just to keep the chop/swells off his beam. He's a nice guy, and he is a good paddling companion in many other respects. So, I'd really like to get him over his paranoia. I have been trying various means to ramp up his comfort level, with only a little success: showing him how stable his boat is on short crossings, purposefully engaging him in small, measured amounts of rough stuff, and a couple "sink or swim" events (much moaning and wailing). I have been hounding him to slop around in some small surf to find the limits of his boat, but he has not done that yet. I'd drag him out myself, but he lives a couple hundred miles from me. Does anybody have a regime to help here? The guy has been paddling for five years plus, so there is a lot of reprogramming to do. Things are bad enough that many of his one-time paddling partners will no longer go on trips with him, even though they like the guy personally. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 00-11-29 05:42:44 EST, KiAyker_at_aol.com writes: << I have found that more times then not, people resent having a stranger step up and try to help. I >> This reminded me of an occasion in a group paddling trip where a newbie was lagging way behind, obviously did not like the little tips I was giving her, didn't want to try them out, and then told me to go on ahead that she would just meander along at her own pace. Although I was not a designated sweep (and none had been assigned), I just said, "We don't leave people behind." Fortunately, this was a hugging the coastline and islands type of trip in the Keys (warm water, another-day-in-paradise type of day), so I just set myself in relax mode and kept near her with my mouth shut (THAT was the hard part :) sandy kramer in Miami where we're having a wee cold spell - it was actually 58 degrees yesterday morning. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 11/29/00 2:46:21 PM, WaterCrosser_at_aol.com writes: << >>Yes, I enjoyed some sense of humor in watching some of these folks capsize while trying to land. << I believe a lot more people enjoy this too, but are afraid to admit it. >> I have to go along with Jim. A lot of times things that in the retelling sound awful were hysterical to see, like the expression on the face of someone just when they know they are going over. That is why the banana peel is so funny, just like all slapstick. The two funniest things I've ever seen in my life were someone falling off, rather, over a horse and someone closing a glass door and walking right into it. Only dignity was injured but just the thought of those can bring tears to my eyes as I laugh yet again. Scott, dean man, you knew full well you'd be chided for what you wrote and I highly suspect you got a kick out of it. I'm not so sure that Kathleen knew what she was in for, though. I wondered who would bite as I read your report. Kathleen, it is really okay. This list can lack a sense of humor at times. As far as I can tell, no one is angry with you at all. This is just a place where we all have to put our 2 cents in, even when we are broke. When I want to take someone to task, or correct something they said, I keep in back channel. I think you have now found out why. Be welcome here and don't let these guys make you feel bad. Sometimes we hit the send button before we have thought things all the way through. We have a bunch of lawyers here and they WILL comment on a misstatement. Joan Spinner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 06:18 PM 11/29/00 -0500, JSpinner_at_aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/29/00 2:46:21 PM, WaterCrosser_at_aol.com writes: > ><< >>Yes, I enjoyed some sense of humor in watching some of these folks >capsize while trying to land. << > > >I believe a lot more people enjoy this too, but are afraid to admit it. >> > >I have to go along with Jim. A lot of times things that in the retelling >sound awful were hysterical to see, like the expression on the face of >someone just when they know they are going over. That is why the banana peel >is so funny, just like all slapstick. If I recall, what Kathleen was objecting to was the fact that they were sitting back and "enjoying the semi-carnage", essentially enjoying the lesser skilled paddlers inability to negotiate conditions which they felt were easy. They weren't laughing *with* the paddlers that were having trouble, they were laughing *at* them, and specifically at the fact that those that capsized were not as skilled as they were. > The two funniest things I've ever seen in my life were someone falling >off, rather, over a horse and someone closing a glass door and walking right >into it. My brother walked into a closing glass door once. It resulted in 170 stitches and several permanant scars. I don't think *he* thought it was very funny. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Interesting problem, Dave.. I'm sure there will be many responses to this that are more thoughtful than mine, but I think that one way to approach this fellow is to help him get more comfortable IN the water. If capsizing becomes less threatening to him, he might be more comfortable edging his boat and bracing. Accordingly, I'd offer to work with him on wet exits, eskimo rescues (bow and paddleshaft), and variations on the t-rescue. If he takes to that, then perhaps he'll get into rolling and more extreme bracing (pool sessions in winter are a great way to build confidence for the spring/summer/fall season). Once he's gone there, he'll be much happier in rough stuff. Come to think of it, a well-managed surf class would also be beneficial. Best of luck to you both! Bob V *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<< Scott, dean man, you knew full well you'd be chided for what you wrote and I highly suspect you got a kick out of it. >> I'm guilty as charged. What can I say? I flunked out of the Betty Ford clinic for the controversially challenged. So sorry, Kathleen. I was just having a little fun at someone else's expense. Oops, there I go again! Gotta go, Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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