HI folks, could not help weighing in on this one, Some of the work I do requires doing drainage studies from storm water run-off and snow fall data. And, not one to trust "scientific studies" much, I looked into the basis for the numbers we typically use for the 5 year, 10 year, 25 year, 50 year and 100 year events. And found little in the way of valid statistical or scientific evidence. The problem is we are ignorant on all of the forces that control weather: few of the process are known or understood with certainty and the earth itself (even it could be understood) is not a closed system. With all of the weather stations, computers and satellites we can not see into future more than about three days, and we do not have reliable weather data for most of the country further back than about 100 years, and certainly none of it without any detail. To be able to predict 1000 year, or even 100 year, trends based on this is totally laughable. Everytime someone tried to take rational theories and applied it to known weather patterns they found none of the predictions even close. For example someone took the greenhouse gas/global warming model back to the year 1900, the year most would agree was the initiation of widespread fossil fuel consumption, the model ended up showing that something like 90 percent of our atmosphere should be CO2 by Y2K. Clearly there are other forces at work that are not understood. There may indeed be evidence of global warming but the hard science that can predict the future of it, and the cause of it, are totally absent. So everyone is engaging in speculation (and most of it not scientific) at this point. Personally I would suspect that IF global warming is a real long term trend, THEN we as humans are likely unable to do anything about it, nor are we to blame. We know that vast swings in global climate has been the history of this plant, and humans had nothing to do with it. Why should we think the future will be anything different? So if this is a real trend, not just a short term anomaly, than there is likely nothing we can do about it. And even if it was possible to prove there is measurable contribution from human activities, which we can not at this point, I would say that the contribution due to people going kayaking is totally insignificant. You will not make any changes what so ever even if you completely stop going. You would be doing something else anyway, when kayaking you are using less fuel than most activities, including sitting at home in a heated house watching TV. Simply living causes impact to the environment, you consume food, air and water, and put wastes out. Besides that I suspect that animals, wetlands, forests, etc. put out far more "pollution", green house gases, than all human activity combined, and there are some studies that support this. And it makes sense if you compare the total biomass of these things compared to humans (we should be so arrogant and self centered to even think that humans can actually have some control over the weather!). It does not mean I would advocate irresponsible consumption or pollution, I just would be not throw around "scientific opinions" as if it some meaningful facts behind it. Scientists are just as prone to media and political pressure as anyone, especially if their future income depends on it, which is usually the case. I can remember just about 20 years ago the consensus of these same scientists was we were entering a cooling tread, complete with an artist's rendering of a giant glacier overtaking New York City on the cover of Science Magazine (I which I had kept that issue). Of course this was before there we're lots of grants being offered by the EPA , NSF and others to study global warning. The fact of the matter is that larger and larger numbers of people go out into the wilderness every year and there is no practical way to stop it. I would offer that these wilderness areas are far better off if we encourage human powered wilderness activities instead of jet skis, snow mobiles, 4x4s, etc. So all of us should encourage human powered transport, and all of the benefits of it, as much as possible, and as responsibly as possible, and not quibble over things we have no control over. The more responsable paddlers there are out there, instructing, teaching, or just be a good example for the rest of us, the better off we are. Peter *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Tue Dec 12 2000 - 15:13:25 PST
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