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From: Peter A. Chopelas <pac_at_premier1.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Modern history of kayaking
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:58:50 -0800
I just happened to run across this information this weekend on the use of 
fiberglass in boats, which is relevant to some of the earlier postings:

>From "Fiberglass Boat Design and Construction" by Robert J. Scott pub. John 
de Graf, Inc. Tuchahoe, New York 1973

=======================

"...The first fiberglass boats were introduced shortly after World War II 
as a result of research by both military and commercial interests.  The 
boasts which evolved from these early efforts proved to be strong, light 
weight , water tight and easy to maintain. These advantages were 
instrumental in establishing the strong role which fiberglass played during 
the small boat "boom" in the 1950's and 1960's, and to its present position 
as the most popular material for building small boats."


and

"....among the first were a series of 28 foot US Navy personnel boats. 
Since then, the Navy has continued to rely heavily on FRP [Fiberglass 
Reinforced Plastic] for the construction of thousands of small boats from 
12 feet to 50 feet in length including landing craft, utility and personnel 
boats, line handling boats and whaleboats.  Perhaps the most famous Navy 
fiberglass boat is the 31 foot PBR River Patrol Boat, which has seen 
extensive service in Southeast Asia.
	"The US Coast Guard has employed FRP for the construction of a wide 
variety of utility and patrol boats up to 40 feet.....

	"...The first [pleasure boat] uses of FRP were in small runabouts and 
sailboats, with both the size and number increasing each year....The 
largest FRP yachts in series production are now about 85 feet. ...The 
highly competitive nature of the pleasure boat industry has resulted in 
numerous design and production innovations to improve the performance and 
reduce the cost of fiberglass structures..."

	"The development of large fiberglass fishing trawlers began in 1960 in 
South Africa with the construction of a series of 63 foot long pilchard 
trawlers...[which lead to} parallel developments in the United States...The 
first such vessel was the 72 foot trawler...launched in Florida in 1968...
	"The development of FRP minesweepers was begun simultaneously by the US 
and British Navies in the early 1960's...

======================

So my casual observation that there were not any fiberglass pleasure boats 
prior to WWII, and the postings about the first fiberglass kayaks did not 
show up until about 1960(?) and no production fiberglass kayaks until the 
early 1970's is consistent with the above author's experience (he is an 
experienced navel architect with a masters in Marine Engineering and worked 
for Gibbs & Cox Inc of New York).  So fiberglass manufacture of pleasure 
boats in not that old, compared most other traditional boat building 
materials.

Also constant with this was my memories of a neighbor who built a skin on 
frame kayak in about 1967 using a fiberglass skin instead of the then more 
common canvas and paint.  Then a friend of mine and I "found" an old skin 
on frame two hole kayak in a trash bin in about 1974 and rebuilt it.  It 
had a broken wood frame, rotting and torn cotton skin, and represented way 
too much consistent for two high school kids looking for adventure to pass 
up.  So we rode it home somehow on our bicycles, one holding each end, 
through the traffic, and set about rebuilding it.

Since it seemed the rotting canvas had poor durability (we had no idea how 
old it was, but it looked old), fiberglass seemed the most modern skin we 
could put on it.  So we scavenged materials, including someone's left over 
fiberglass cloth, bought what we could not find, rebuilt the frame and 
reskined it.  It did not look like the real slick new molded kayaks just 
showing up at the time, but it was strong and held water, even if our handy 
work was somewhat unskilled and unattractive.

So despite kayaks being ancient in origin, its modern history is not very 
old.  I.e. there was only a few companies commercially making folding 
kayaks prior to WWII, and I do not think anyone one commercially 
manufacturing non-folding skin on frame kayaks in any large numbers ever. 
 And commercially made molded fiberglass sea kayaks did not show up until 
about 1970(?).

Does any have a guess how many commercially manufactured sea kayaks are 
sold today world wide?  And how many folding kayaks?

Peter



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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Modern history of kayaking
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:00:16 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter A. Chopelas" <pac_at_premier1.net>

> So despite kayaks being ancient in origin, its modern history is not very
> old.  I.e. there was only a few companies commercially making folding
> kayaks prior to WWII, and I do not think anyone one commercially
> manufacturing non-folding skin on frame kayaks in any large numbers ever.
>  And commercially made molded fiberglass sea kayaks did not show up until
> about 1970(?).

There were a lot more than a "few" companies making folding kayaks
commercially prior to WW II.  I counted up their names and locations (most
in Germany) from the Der Haderkahn book on the history of folding kayaks
published in 1989.  I recall that there were about 80 companies producing
the boats prior to WWII.  Obviously some were small but the large ones were
quite massive in their yearly production turnout.  Klepper was probably the
largest and in many popular paddling spots often hundreds of foldables would
be on the water at the same time on a good weekend.
>
> Does any have a guess how many commercially manufactured sea kayaks are
> sold today world wide?  And how many folding kayaks?

I once had a reasonable handle on this in the early 1990s.  Using a lot of
extrapolation from knowledge I had of the production run of two of the
largest hardshell companies and knowing the same, with more precision, for
the folding kayak companies, I came up with some figure.  I can't remember
what that was and it would be inapplicable now since since then many more
companies have been making plastic kayaks that previously only did
fiberglass such as Wilderness Systems.  Polyethylene really changed things
in providing entry-level (as well as better boats) at a cheap price that has
drawn an avalanche of interest and buyers.

ralph diaz
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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Modern history of kayaking
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:04:47 -0800
Peter Chopelas wrote:
>>>>>Does any have a guess how many commercially manufactured sea kayaks are
sold today world wide?  And how many folding kayaks?<<<<<

No, but I could give you a minimum number for "ever was kayaks" rather than
just those still sold today. Obviously, there are more that I don't know of
yet.
The number of one-person kayak builders I know of worldwide as of today is
689. These aren't all commercial builders but most of the non-commercial
builders fall into the wood kayak subsection. The breakdown is 146 wood
kayak builders (those with distinct designs--not just those building someone
else's designs) with a total of 450 models among them, 131 skin on frame,
folding, or wood/canvas kayak builders, building 510 models of singles (and
doubles--this category only)(this isn't counting any of the true Eskimo
designs--in museums--see David Zimmerley's website www.arctickayaks.com for
21 pages listing those), 222 North American builders of fiberglass and/or
plastic kayaks (excluding whitewater, wave skis, competition kayaks and
competition surf skis--but including recreational, rec. sit-on-top, touring,
and sea kayaks) with 943 models. 190 builders of glass and plastic singles
in 21 countries outside of North America building 737 (substantially
different) named models. That's a total of 2640 models from 689 builders
(including the double folding kayaks--I haven't yet separated them out into
their own spreadsheet--I'd guess maybe 150 to 200 of those I listed in the
fabric kayak category are doubles). Actually, because of the individual
variations easily possible with most of the non-folding kayaks in the skin
on frame category there are probably many more individual models unnamed
that actually vary more than some of the plastic or glass kayaks with a new
deck or hatch arrangement and a different name attached. The biggest listing
of folding kayak companies and models is at
http://www.faltbootkabinett.de/index.html.

Some designers of their own personal kayaks or commercial kayaks posting on
paddlewise are:

PETER CHOPELAS:Peter A. Chopelas is one builder/designer with two skin
kayaks so far.
	BPB-01  (10-4) (1st. predotype)
	Stretched Retrieval Kayak (10-4)(folding)

COMPANY NAME UNKNOWN:Fernando López Arbarello
	Name unknown (?) 	1991      (would you like to fill me in on the details
Fernando?)

DUANE STROSAKER:Duane Strosaker  is another with his new wood kayak
	Prototype Sea/Surf kayak  (14-0)

ROBERT LIVINGSTON:Robert Livingston  (all fiberglass)
	Excalibur  (17-1) 	<1981
	Ursa Minor (15-7)(first plug)1983
	Ursa Minor  (15-7) 	1984
	Ursa Micro   (13-2) 	1985
	Ursa Major   (16-5) 	1986
	Ursa 350    (?)	2001  (mold just completed, have you named it yet Robert?
dimensions?)

FERGUSON KAYAKS/SEALAND PUBLICATIONS:Alex "Sandy" Ferguson
	Seaward W  (17-2.5)(W=wood plans)	<1990
	Coastal   (?)	<1985
	Mac 50   (?)	<1999
	Mist  (?)(tortured plywood)	<1999
	"T" Class  (?)	2000
< in front of the year means "older than"

There are several other kayak designer's contributing to paddlewise
including Nick Schade, and John Winters
Who have I missed?

BTW, if you have designed a kayak (or know of someone who is designing or
building kayaks locally but hasn't done any advertising nationally) I would
be most interested in knowing about you (or them) and the kayaks. I collect
the following data (when I can), Country of origin, Company name (year Co.
founded, Co. address, phone & fax #'s, e-mail and website address), company
owner's name, Single kayak model name, designer's name, year of first
introduction (or oldest reference found), the kayaks length, width, volume,
depth (inside cockpit front from bottom of the coaming to the inside of
hull), inside length and width of the cockpit. On the 550 plus kayaks I have
paddled I time how fast they can spin in place and turn at speed (both when
level and leaned up to where water is not quite spilling into the cockpit if
I don't have a spraydeck on--or as much as I dare given the outfitting if I
can't safely lean that much). If I'm testing near my store I also time top
speed in a short sprint over a fixed course.


Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com


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From: Nick Schade <schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Modern history of kayaking
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:45:01 -0500
Do you have any plans of making your database available online?

At 8:04 PM -0800 2/20/01, Matt Broze wrote:
>...
>The number of one-person kayak builders I know of worldwide as of today is
>689. These aren't all commercial builders but most of the non-commercial
>builders fall into the wood kayak subsection....
-- 
Nick Schade
Guillemot Kayaks
824 Thompson St
Glastonbury, CT 06033
(860) 659-8847
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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Modern history of kayaking
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:59:16 -0800
Not at this time in any complete form, anyhow. Maybe when I retire. It has
been a valuable tool in my business and I don't feel like handing my
competitors 20 years and thousands of hours of my work for free.

Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Schade [mailto:schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:45 AM
> To: Matt Broze; Paddlewise
> Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Modern history of kayaking
>
>
> Do you have any plans of making your database available online?
>
> At 8:04 PM -0800 2/20/01, Matt Broze wrote:
> >...
> >The number of one-person kayak builders I know of worldwide as
> of today is
> >689. These aren't all commercial builders but most of the non-commercial
> >builders fall into the wood kayak subsection....
> --
> Nick Schade
> Guillemot Kayaks
> 824 Thompson St
> Glastonbury, CT 06033
> (860) 659-8847
>

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