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From: Edwin Johnson <elj_at_shreve.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Tents and camping equipment
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:57:54 -0600 (CST)
Dave,

I would be interested in your impression of the Light Wedge 2, for that is
a tent at which I have been looking on the net.

Also a question. Is either the Light Wedge 2 or the Sierra Clip 3 or Clip
Flashlight a free standing tent? 

>Just beginning a relationship with a Mtn. Hardware smaller two-person
>tent (Light Wedge 2), and I like the design, but suspect it is not as
>weatherproof as the ancient NF Tadpole it is replacing (wore out the
>coatings).  Time will tell.  
>- -- 
>Dave Kruger 
>Astoria, OR

...Edwin

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From: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tents and camping equipment
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:47:40 -0800 (PST)
> Am presently looking to purchase a good quality tent and sleeping bag  that I
> can use on my kayaking trips beginning in

<snip>

> Looking to hear from anyone with their suggestions, opinions on what to look
> for in a tent/sleeping bag, and any on-line web sites that carry good 
> selections of equipment.


Hank Berger spent a good deal of time and effort organizing a discussion
from PaddleWise postings about tents and divided it into brands, where to 
buy them, and opinions of various tents from boaters' perspectives.  You 
can check it out at

http://www.paddlewise.net/topics/boatcamp/

Thanks, Hank :-)

Jackie

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From: <HenryHast_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tents and camping equipment
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:18:53 EST
In a message dated 2/22/01 7:48:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jackie_at_intelenet.net writes:

<< 
 Hank Berger spent a good deal of time and effort organizing a discussion
 from PaddleWise postings about tents and divided it into brands, where to 
 buy them, and opinions of various tents from boaters' perspectives.  You 
 can check it out at
 
 http://www.paddlewise.net/topics/boatcamp/
 
 Thanks, Hank :-)
 
 Jackie
  >>
Jackie,  
You're welcome, and thank you for the great job you do as the list mom.
Hank
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From: <HenryHast_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tents and camping equipment
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:37:54 EST
In a message dated 2/23/01 12:40:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pylka_at_castle.net writes:

<<  FWIW, and if you live in the NorthEast,  Eureka has their annual
 Tent Sale and Auction at their factory/office in Binghamton, NY March 8th
 through the 11th.  Returned, repaired, discontinued models of tents are
 usually on sale or auctioned off on Sunday.  Also lots of camping gear.  Not
 a few people converge on it, especially scout troops, etc.
  >>
Thanks for the info.  I'd encourage all of us to use the list as a way to 
share info on this kind of special sale.  I know LL Bean, for example, has a 
large warehouse sale somewhere in New Hampshire every year or two that is 
supposed to be huge with incredible prices that decrease to next to nothing 
by the end of the sale.
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From: Jochen Grikschat <grikschat_at_surfeu.de>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tents and camping equipment
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:58:05 +0100
Hi folks!

> Am presently looking to purchase a good quality tent and sleeping bag 
that I
> can use on my kayaking trips beginning in

its me another time in Engish...

I read all the mails about tents and have to smile.
Maybe iīm a little bit extreme, but most time I didnīt got a tent on my
tours. Yeah! NO tnet.

Only using a 3 x 3 metre (about 10 x 10 ft) polyester, silicone coated
Tarp. From former Mountain Sport (now Tatonka or  so...).
Why?
Itīs the easiest, fastest and dryest way to take care for malmost
everything.
I place my kajak, get out the tarp, I place it somewhere by the footrest,
click it with two cat clips (each one is fixed diagonal to the tarp an
close to the ends of the kayak) to the kayak. The back parts is fixed
temporary with a stone or a tent peg, on the  front parts is a 2m little
rope. I fix the tarp end on the top of the paddle directly under the blade
with the rope and fix the rope with another tent peg or something heavy so,
that the paddle stands sloping and the tarp is hold in the air over the
kayak. then I fixed the half spare paddle to the middle of the tarp and
place the paddle in the cockpit.  Now the back part new and coser fixed to
the ground. Ready!
I could get all my clothes out of the kayak and its dry.
If its windy, I have to place the back part toward the wind, and come the
rain straight from the side, I have to place the whole tarp as falt as
possible. Then the side will also be fixed with tent pegs to the ground. I
got a little parts for the side, I fix it with clips to the tarp and the
rain and wind canīt come over this side... 
I place a Thermarest before my boat, and everything is okay. I sleep in a
selfmade bivouac sack and always awake when the light comes up and the
birds are crying. 
Okay, its a problem if there are lot of mosquitos, then I hang up a
mosquito net. I also could hang up some light, when I place some rope
between the spare paddle and the front end. 

Itīs an incredible various system. Quick, lightweight, gives you a real
outdoor feeling and sometimes in the morning a slightly cought.... :-)
But I never got real problems with rain. Everything keeps almost dry, and
the last thing I get into my boat before I start is the tarp. So nothing
ahve to get wet until Iīm on the water. 
Youīre sitting in front of your boat, hang up a light and watch these "real
life TV" happening to your feet...

Iīm dreaming of a deluxe version. A light tarp, special designed for
kayaks, with it you could build up a various "tent" over your kayak and
depending on the weather, on the place, temperature, you fix some
additional side-elements or none. In Norway, weīve sleep  under the tarp
with two persons. 
I test an alloy stick, going diagonal to the tarp, but its too soft, the
wind push it inside, the version with the spare paddle is the most easiest
way, but then the wind lets the tarp make flutter in some parts. Then you
have to push some more tent pegs  to the ground.

One morning, I build my "tent" up in extrem rain and I couldnīt take tent
pegs, because the ground (kind of street) was to strong so I hang up a
heavy barrel to the paddle and fix the after part to a sign. So this
morning the tarp looks a little bit different. but everything was dry! I
get up and look (no more raining) on the tarp. There was a big sea in it.
About 40 litre? I could wash my whole head in it. Huuu! What might had
happend if the paddle would had fallen by the side? But the paddle was
still standing with the hanging barrel on it. Great work!

There are only a few situation I take a tent with me. Most of the time I
find some great place for my tarp-tent, so I let stay the tent at home.
Sometimes I sleep wihtout the fixed tarp, but the tarp is then lying
beneath me. So if there is coming up some rain or thunder, I pull it over
me and the boat and keep on sleeping.

For some moody ground I got a little plastic tarp, on which I could sit and
lay.

Maybe an alternative ???

best regards 
Jochen Grikschat
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From: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tents and camping equipment
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:32:23 -0800 (PST)
I second Bob's comments.  It isn't fair to the many retailers subscribed to 
PaddleWise, some of whom that contribute a good deal of information to this 
list, that refrain from posting their sales events every time they have 
one (and who run the risk of being booted from the list if they continue to 
violate list policy with posting sales notices).  PaddleWise should not become 
a public announcement board for sales events of all kinds of equipment all over.  
Folks tend to forget we have quite a few subscribers here from all over the 
world.  I understand the desire to learn of a good sale but the vast majority 
of subscribers will not benefit from these type of announcements.  To open 
the list to sales announcements everywhere of all kinds of gear various folks
define as paddling-related (boats, clothing, boat accessories, paddling
accessories, boat making, boat sailing, boat transportation, camping gear, 
fishing gear, etc... catch my "drift"? :-)  could quickly drown out the 
relevant postings of general interest to the majority on this list.

Regards,

Jackie
list-owner

> From: bob_at_intelenet.net (Bob Myers)

> > HenryHast_at_aol.com wrote:
> > } Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tents and camping equipment
> >
> > Thanks for the info.  I'd encourage all of us to use the list as a way to 
> > share info on this kind of special sale.

> Please don't.
> 
> There's a lot of people on this list, including quite a few retailers.
> 
> They don't post advertisements of their special sales to the list in part
> due to list policy, and it's just not fair to have other sale 
> announcements here if real list contributors can't post theirs too.
> So it's really better to leave sale announcements out.
> 
> Nobody wants this list to be a continuous list of sales from all
> around the world.

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