I would like to expand my fleet to include an all purpose White Water / Surf boat. Any reccomendations?? I am 6'2" - 200# A bit long of leg (Inseam = 32") - Beginner-Intermediate paddler. Would like to learn to roll.. Would like to find a boat that fits most criteria... Wayne Smith *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dan I'm 5'10.25" >>g<< , 210# and have an inseam of 31". For my whitewaterin' thrills, I paddle a Dagger Redline. It's a great playboat, nice lines, and handles the heavy and middle weights with ease! If you have a roll, it's no more difficult [or easier] than any other WW boat. As far as your inseam is concerned, the seat is adjustable to accomodate the 32". If you get a chance, give the Redline a paddle. I think you'll be pleased! Good luck and safe paddlin'! Jim Tynan Pike Road, AL > I would like to expand my fleet to include an all purpose White Water / Surf > boat. > > Any reccomendations?? > > I am 6'2" - 200# A bit long of leg (Inseam = 32") - Beginner-Intermediate > paddler. Would like to learn to roll.. > > Would like to find a boat that fits most criteria... > > Wayne Smith > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed > here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire > responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. > Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net > Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Wayne Smith wrote: > I would like to expand my fleet to include an all purpose White Water / Surf > boat. > > Any reccomendations?? I went through a similar search. The Necky Jive was highly recommended as a boat that did a good job at both ocean surfing and whitewater. I'm 170, 6', 33" inseam and fit easily. I can't verify how good it is since I've only used it for rolling practice. > I am 6'2" - 200# A bit long of leg (Inseam = 32") - Beginner-Intermediate > paddler. Would like to learn to roll.. > > Would like to find a boat that fits most criteria... Another option is one of the new playboats. They aren't as good for running whitewater but are great for playing games on waves or destination play spots. During pool sessions the "good" playboaters paddle across the pool, submerge the bow and balance the boat at about a 70 degree angle with the stern in the air, then with a quick motion, cartwheel and stand the boat on the stern. I squeezed into a Wavesport XXX last week and am now lusting after a playboat. Someone else suggested the Dagger Redline, you are sized well for that boat, I found it a bit awkward to roll and think something with hard chines would be preferable for ocean surfing. But what do I know I've only used my "whitewater" boat to roll.... kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Another option is one of the new playboats. They aren't as good for running >whitewater but are great for playing games on waves or destination play >spots. The problem with the newer play boats like the EZ, AMP, XXX, and other shorter boats around 6.5 to 7 feet on the Ocean is they have NO hull speed and are slow. They work fine at the local play spot where your catching the wave from an eddy but doing it on the move requires hull speed. That's why surfers need jet skies to get on the really big stuff. They need to match the speed of the wave. You'll notice when looking at the top, top shelf surf boat like the Mako's http://www.customkayak.com/html/mako_surf_kayaks.html They're all longer then 8 feet. So Depending on the size of the waves your going to be surfing the play boats can work great for spins with there flat bottoms and hard edges but may require harder paddling to get on the waves. My choice would be something with a flat bottom but on the longish side like many of the older play boats. The reason these same play boats aren't that great at river running is again, they are slow and on the river that can get you in to more trouble then just missing the surf wave on the fly. You need that speed to get you through rapids and holes safely. JFF *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'll add my 2cents on the Neck Jive. I'm guessing you'll find it a responsive, yet forgiving boat. At 6'2", legroom is an issue. Try sitting in a Jive "810", which is just a few centimeters longer than the standard Jive, but may have just enough additional space for your feet and legs. > On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Wayne Smith wrote: > > > I would like to expand my fleet to include an all purpose White Water / Surf > > boat. > > > > Any reccomendations?? > > I went through a similar search. The Necky Jive was highly recommended as > a boat that did a good job at both ocean surfing and whitewater. > I'm 170, 6', 33" inseam and fit easily. I can't verify how good it is since > I've only used it for rolling practice. > > > I am 6'2" - 200# A bit long of leg (Inseam = 32") - Beginner-Intermediate > > paddler. Would like to learn to roll.. > > > > Would like to find a boat that fits most criteria... > > Another option is one of the new playboats. They aren't as good for running > whitewater but are great for playing games on waves or destination play > spots. During pool sessions the "good" playboaters paddle across the pool, > submerge the bow and balance the boat at about a 70 degree angle with the > stern in the air, then with a quick motion, cartwheel and stand the boat > on the stern. I squeezed into a Wavesport XXX last week and am now lusting > after a playboat. > > Someone else suggested the Dagger Redline, you are sized well for that boat, > I found it a bit awkward to roll and think something with hard chines would > be preferable for ocean surfing. But what do I know I've only used my > "whitewater" boat to roll.... > > kirk > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed > here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire > responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. > Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net > Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Consider a Daggar RPM Max - although it may be too short for your legs. I tried Bob Volin's Necky Jive last week and really liked it; rolled very smoothly (I didn't move the foot pegs back from BOb's long leg position (I have a 28 inseam). It is not on my want list (at this point I think my Darling Wife won't notice another boat around the house - after 6, what's one more, or 2 more, or 3 more). good luck, sid ps: Those on this list who know Darling Wife must promise to remain quiet regarding new boat acquisition possibilities. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The trouble with getting one boat for surf and white water is aspects of the design can conflict. Your basicly looking for a mid volume w.w. boat with a flat bottomed. I'd try something from the inazone series from Pyranha http://www.pyranha.com/ They make them in 4 sizes so one should fit alright. I'd also try a Grind and Boogie from Riot: http://www.riotkayaks.com/riot/pages/fr_enter.html The Boogie is made just for surf and handles really well will the added fins on the bottom. The grind is a fuller version of the Glide, a boat I've surf and w.w. paddled in quite a bit. Also a good chose but it's a hard boat to lean in, very edgy. I think you'll find with white water boats that just about ANYTHING goes in the design department and because of it you really need to paddle them before buying. I'd Also thing about buying a used boat. Since your looking for a beginner you don't need the latest style and plastic hold up. Once you've got an idea of what your looking for try posting a WTB (want to buy) add on boater talk or other w.w. message boards in your area. good luck JFF >Any reccomendations?? > >I am 6'2" - 200# A bit long of leg (Inseam = 32") - Beginner-Intermediate >paddler. Would like to learn to roll.. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hello Paddlewisers, The question of white water boat recommendations is very interesting to me. It is something I wonder about from time to time. Although it is useful to hear the height and weight of someone recommending a boat, it would be also good to consider shoe size as well. At 6'1", 215 lbs and 32" inseam, I can scale from what others have said...PROVIDING...I can fit in my size 13 feet. Any thoughts? Bill Leonhardt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>'At 6'1", 215 >lbs and 32" inseam, I can scale from what others have said...PROVIDING...I >can fit in my size 13 feet.' Three boats to consider are the Wave Sport Z, Prijon Luv, and Dagger Outlaw. You should be able to find used Z or Luv, but the Outlaw is a brand new design, so good luck finding a used one this year. All designs are roomy, comfortable and should fit the big dogs you have. Good luck. Mark >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed >here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire >responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. >Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net >Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bill your in Luck. You like so many others are not able to take advantage of newer trend in play boats because of your size. Well hungry boat manufactures don't want you to feel left out anymore. You'll find many of them released new play boats in 2001 for the larger paddler based on there smaller siblings. Some of these are Wave Sport's: Big EZ and Score, Perception's: madness and the Super ego from Dagger. I'm sure the list goes on. JFF > >can fit in my size 13 feet. > >Any thoughts? > >Bill Leonhardt > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Joe Federici wrote: > Bill your in Luck. You like so many others are not able to take > advantage of newer trend in play boats because of your size. Well > hungry boat manufactures don't want you to feel left out anymore. > You'll find many of them released new play boats in 2001 for the > larger paddler based on there smaller siblings. Some of these are > Wave Sport's: Big EZ and Score, Perception's: madness and the Super > ego from Dagger. I'm sure the list goes on. I pool paddled a Big EZ monday night. The owner had size 13's and fit comfortably. At 170 lbs, I wasn't heavy enough to get the bow to dive much. He got a deal on the Big EZ and a second creek boat. I could have sworn it was a Wavesport but don't see it on their site. The creek boat had even more room than the big ez (the owner was 6'3", size 13s, and looked to be about 230lbs) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Whitewater/ surf boats for 6'2" 200lbs 32" inseam: I'd go for a planning hull. Comfortable and forgiving. Dagger Redline, Necky Gliss or Jive 8.10, Wave Sport Z or Godzilla, Perception Madness, Pyranha 242, etc. Lots of boats and sooooo little time. The Wave Sport Score is a personal favorite. good luck steve scherrer Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe N 45º 39' 47" 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr. W 122º 36' 16" Portland, OR 97217 Web: www.aldercreek.com Phone: 503.285.0464 Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My feet are only 11's, but are big enuf that they were an issue when shopping for a _short_ WW boat. I sat in every boat I could, and test-paddled the most comfy ones before I bought my short boat - a Beast (made by Savage, which is no longer in business). It was just too hard for me to get into and out of some of the newer short boats, and my relatively inflexible ankles suffered in many of the boats after 15-20 minutes. Last summer I took the Beast out to play in the surf, and had a hard time punching out through the breakers (we get reasonable surf under full-fetch conditions here at the southern end of Lake Michigan) due both to the slow hull speed, and the low volume bow knifing into the waves. At the risk of sounding 'old school', I'd suggest an older design boat as and all-purpose *river and surf* boat. One that comes to mind - and that might even fit 13's - is the Cruise Control by New Wave. It's an old enough design that it won't break the bank, it's an excellent front surfing boat, and has enough speed to make paddling upstream or though the surf less of a grunt. You can't throw ends in this boat due to it's high volume bow, but it will do respectable stern squirts. And did I mention? It surfs REALLY well! Regards, Erik Sprenne Wayne Smith wrote: > I would like to expand my fleet to include an all purpose White Water / Surf > boat. > Any reccomendations?? > I am 6'2" - 200# A bit long of leg (Inseam = 32") - Beginner-Intermediate > paddler. Would like to learn to roll.. > Would like to find a boat that fits most criteria... Bill Leonhardt added: > The question of white water boat recommendations is very interesting to me. > It is something I wonder about from time to time. > > Although it is useful to hear the height and weight of someone recommending > a boat, it would be also good to consider shoe size as well. At 6'1", 215 > lbs and 32" inseam, I can scale from what others have said...PROVIDING...I > can fit in my size 13 feet. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 12:00:52AM -0600, Erik Sprenne wrote: > At the risk of sounding 'old school', I'd suggest an older design boat as > and all-purpose *river and surf* boat. One that comes to mind - and that > might even fit 13's - is the Cruise Control by New Wave. It's an old enough > design that it won't break the bank, it's an excellent front surfing boat, > and has enough speed to make paddling upstream or though the surf less of a > grunt. You can't throw ends in this boat due to it's high volume bow, but > it will do respectable stern squirts. I'll second this recommendation's premise: get an all-purpose river boat. I recommend that beginners start with any of: Perception Pirouette Perception Corsica Dagger Crossfire Dagger Response Wavesport Lazer First, all of these boats are available *used* in quantity. This immediately saves a beginner a bunch of cash. And a beginner will abuse them anyway, so there's no sense in buying a new boat. Second, all of these boats perform basic whitewater moves well: the eddy turn and peel out, upstream ferry, front surf, and and side surf. They're all easy to roll. They're all large enough to avoid the (increasing) problems we're seeing in the sport with small boats in difficult whitewater. Third, none of these boats are designed for rodeo moves. I think this is a good thing: rodeo moves are cool, rodeo moves are neat, but they're not terribly useful when you're trying to catch a 1/2-boat eddy halfway down a class IV rapid. I've been astonished at the number of developing paddlers I've run into who can do cartwheels all day but do not have a satisfactory eddy turn in class II water. (And learning to do rodeo moves in a standard boat, while harder, is not only possible but is a better learning exercise. [*]) Sure, doing 2000 eddy turns isn't as fun as carving up a hole. And if all you want to do is the latter, then I suppose it's fine. But the problem is that an increasing number of paddlers are incorrectly presuming that because they can surf all day in their Mr. Clean that they have the requisite skills to take on difficult whitewater; and this doesn't become apparent until problems surface. ---Rsk [*] I've seen a US team member pull off 4-point carthweels in a slalom K-1...13'2" long. *That* is impressive. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Smith <wsmith_at_cts.com> To: <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] [Fwd: White Water Recomendations] > I would like to expand my fleet to include an all purpose White Water / Surf > boat. > > Any reccomendations?? Dagger's RPM or REDLINE will make it grate, Necky's JIVE or Prijon's FLY too. Look for the one you feel more comfortable, spetially at your legs and feet. Any of these boats will lead you deep into the whitewater world, starting from zero to master basic and advanced rodeo mooves, and run up to class V rivers, even do some creeking. I had myself an RPM and loved it. I´ve run class III and IV rivers with no problem and have friends who used it to run the FUTALEUFU in Chile and the ZAMBEZI in Africa. ( I love myself too much to fight these monsters ... ). Dagger´s CENTRIFUGE would be my choice, but it is more technical and I'm not sure you'll fit it. All of them are excellent for surfing at sea and will let you perform any pirouette you can imagine. As it will be a start boat find a 2nd hand one. Whitewater kayaking is the most pushing branch of the sport, so new and more radical designs appear about every 6 month, letting you reach further limits. I won't sugest you any boat shorter or with less volume than these, as it will be harder to control, turning more difficult the learning process. Once you master it you can find one more technical. If have the chance, learn with the pro's, it worth the money, and you'll learn something more important than the technic itself, SAFETY. You can check them out and find other options at http://www.freestylekayaker.com/ , grate site by the way. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 2/27/01 10:42:47 PM, WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov writes: << At 6'1", 215 lbs and 32" inseam, I can scale from what others have said...PROVIDING...I can fit in my size 13 feet. >> Bill, All I can say regarding WW boats and big feet is that toes are highly overrated in general and can be eliminated without hampering one's ability to paddle. Speed Limp *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You might also consider a sit-on-top surf boat. That would give you plenty of room for your feet. Sorry, but I can't rattle off the names of the models. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of SeaKayakNH_at_aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:48 PM To: PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] [Fwd: White Water Recomendations] In a message dated 2/27/01 10:42:47 PM, WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov writes: << At 6'1", 215 lbs and 32" inseam, I can scale from what others have said...PROVIDING...I can fit in my size 13 feet. >> Bill, All I can say regarding WW boats and big feet is that toes are highly overrated in general and can be eliminated without hampering one's ability to paddle. Speed Limp *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > ps: Those on this list who know Darling Wife must promise to remain > quiet > regarding new boat acquisition possibilities. > > What's it worth to you, Sid??? heh heh heh *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The problem with all of the boats that you listed is the fact that they are all serious displacement hulls. The truth of the matter is planning hulls work better. No manufacturer is introducing a dis hull boat, and except for a few old designs, no one is building them. Why buy an obsolete boat? Why not benefit from new technology and learn in a modern boat? I teach kayaking for a living and students learn soooooo much faster in a flat, modern hull. Just MNSHO. Steve Scherrer aldercreek.com original snip>> I recommend that beginners start with any of: Perception Pirouette Perception Corsica Dagger Crossfire Dagger Response Wavesport Lazer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 06:42:15AM -0800, Steve Scherrer wrote: > The problem with all of the boats that you listed is the fact that they are > all serious displacement hulls. The truth of the matter is planning hulls > work better. No manufacturer is introducing a dis hull boat, and except for > a few old designs, no one is building them. Why buy an obsolete boat? Why > not benefit from new technology and learn in a modern boat? <chuckle> I don't really strongly disagree *except* that I am very concerned that a lot of beginners are not acquiring strong fundamental skills, and I think boat designs are part of the problem. (They're certainly not the only factor, though.) I'm not trying to get everyone into a 4-meter slalom boat (although it has its advantages), but I don't think designed-for-rodeo-and-not-much-else boats are the answer either. I think that part of what we're seeing in designs represents evolution and progress; I think another part of it represents the influence of the tremendous success of rodeo in promoting itself and its style of paddling. Not that this is bad, per se, but I'm not sure it's all-wonderful either. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Rick, I think you've and others have touched on the problem that w.w. is facing in the near future. The boats are getting very specialized and basic skills are not getting taught or practiced Companies are using rodeo and steep creaking hype to sell most of there boats these days. I'm not saying I don't love the new smaller play boats that make so thing's easier but the sales people could do a better job when selling them. I've seem more then a few boats for sale because the person who bought them didn't paddle them but ratter went with what a sales man or brochure said. This thread on P.W. started from someone trying to find a multipurpose boat. Something the w.w. industry as whole is getting way from. Most w.w. paddlers have more then one boat because of this. It's when you only want to buy one boat and you decided to go with the new Wave Spot EZ because it surfs sooooooo well then find yourself getting window shaded in hole that you realize maybe you've got the wrong boat for the job. . . Oh and your friends never seen a rescue done on the latest twitch video so he can't help and didn't have the room for a throw bag too. ;-) JFF <chuckle> I don't really strongly disagree *except* that I am very concerned that a lot of beginners are not acquiring strong fundamental skills, and I think boat designs are part of the problem. (They're certainly not the only factor, though.) I'm not trying to get everyone into a 4-meter slalom boat (although it has its advantages), but I don't think designed-for-rodeo-and-not-much-else boats are the answer either. I think that part of what we're seeing in designs represents evolution and progress; I think another part of it represents the influence of the tremendous success of rodeo in promoting itself and its style of paddling. Not that this is bad, per se, but I'm not sure it's all-wonderful either. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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