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From: Peter D Osman <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:59:36 +1100
G'Day,

I've just spent a pleasant summer of weekends at Balmoral Beach, in Sydney
Australia, learning a bit about rolling and reentry and rolling. Last week I
took the roll into deep water but decided against attempting a reentry and
roll. The problem is what do you do after a reentry once you are back up
with a cockpit full of water and a spray skirt to put on and chop hitting
you from every side?

Is there any alternative to putting the spray skirt on under water? I prefer
to reenter with the boat completely upside down as this is a smooth fast
movement and you can take a break breathing inside the cockpit.

I'ld welcome hints because I'm pretty slow putting it on above water let
alone submerged!

All the best, PeterO


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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:07:58 +1100
Hello Peter:
"I'm pretty slow putting it on above water let alone submerged!"
One thing I think is helpful is to have a custom fitted spraydeck that goes
on easily. Speed in getting the spraydeck on is really useful when taking
off through surf, as well as for a re-entry and roll.
You know how annoying it is to point your boat out to sea in the shallows,
hop in, then spend valuable time fighting the spraydeck on, while a couple
of waves come in and turn the boat along the beach. One cure for this is to
rock the boat right over on its side on the sand and pivot it back facing
out again. Not great for the showroom finish on the gelcoat, but it beats
getting out of the boat and starting again.
Russell Sheahan at Electric Water, tele (03) 9876-9541 or 0418 137 810 makes
good custom decks that just drop onto the coaming really well.

Regards,
Peter Treby
37º 42' S  145º 08' E



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From: Peter D Osman <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:18:44 +1100
Peter Treby wrote:
>One thing I think is helpful is to have a custom fitted spraydeck that goes
>on easily. Speed in getting the spraydeck on is really useful when taking
>off through surf, as well as for a re-entry and roll.

Jed wrote:
>There is no good alternative that I know of for rough water and putting
>the skirt on underwater is a real challenge.  Sounds like another argument
in
>favor of a bombproof roll.  ;-)


G'Day Peter and Jed,

Peter, thanks for the advice and for the name of the easy spray deck
supplier! You're 100% right about trying to get out in the surf. The only
person I've ever seen roll on the side in the sand and rotate the boat
elegantly is Larry Gray. Watched others try but its not pretty!

Jed I still remember your rolling advice which was right on the button and
although I'm nowhere near the perfection you advocate its a target to aim
for!

But is there any such thing as a bombproof roll! The "circles of defence"
approach to kayaking which I was taught requires me to find a back up for
when the roll just doesn't work or the breath just isn't there. What about
that 1 in a 1000 wave that takes you by surprise when you're out of breath
and in a small cockpit seakayak and the water's too rough for a paddle
float? Come to think of it could a paddlefloat be used to stabilise the boat
after a reentry and roll?

All the best, PeterO



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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:21:40 +1100
Peter:
"The only person I've ever seen roll on the side in the sand and rotate the
boat
elegantly is Larry Gray. Watched others try but its not pretty!"
Larry came down for the VSKC AGM last year, held at Phillip Island. Larry is
a superb paddler. I was very impressed, nay totally gob smacked, with the
way he lay his boat right over and turned rapidly in bouncy reflected wave
conditions off Cape Woolamai. Ordinary paddlers were happy to gingerly stay
upright. He just made it look easy, effortless, like the boat and the man
were one integrated unit.
Too bad he didn't wear a PFD.

Regards,
Peter Treby
37º 42' S  145º 08' E



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From: Chuck Holst <cholst_at_bitstream.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:44:12 -0600
The only alternative I've come up with is to temporarily stabilize my kayak 
by putting my primary and spare Greenland paddles under the foredeck safety 
lines so they stick out to either side. For obvious reasons, this wouldn't 
work with feathered paddles. So far, I have tried it only on flat water, 
where it worked well, though I did later break the tip off one paddle while 
trying to climb back into the kayak with the paddles so deployed.

The other alternative I've read about is to brace the paddle across the 
shoulder and under the elbow while pulling the sprayskirt back on.

Chuck Holst

-----Original Message-----
From:	Peter D Osman [SMTP:rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au]
Sent:	Monday, March 05, 2001 2:00 PM
To:	Paddlewise
Subject:	[Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??

G'Day,

I've just spent a pleasant summer of weekends at Balmoral Beach, in Sydney
Australia, learning a bit about rolling and reentry and rolling. Last week 
I
took the roll into deep water but decided against attempting a reentry and
roll. The problem is what do you do after a reentry once you are back up
with a cockpit full of water and a spray skirt to put on and chop hitting
you from every side?

Is there any alternative to putting the spray skirt on under water? I 
prefer
to reenter with the boat completely upside down as this is a smooth fast
movement and you can take a break breathing inside the cockpit.


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From: Patrick Maun <pmaun_at_bitstream.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:11:43 -0600
I've been practising the one-armed scull. It seems fairly solid, but 
I feel like if it fails, I'll dislocate my shoulder. Anyone have an 
tips? I hold the shaft in the crook of my arm, and behind the head on 
the shoulders. The sculling motion is the same as a normal scull. I 
just looked it up in Hutchinson's Sea Kayaking. His one-armed scull 
has the paddle completely vertical and it looks that way in the 
illustration. When I've tried this in the past it seems I exert too 
much energy keeping the shaft vertical.

I think the ideal situation for recovering from a reentry and roll is 
to use a pump that allows you to get the skirt on and, ideally, use 
both hands on the paddle. I purchased a foot-pump for this very 
reason. It looks nice sitting on my shelf. One of these days....

-Patrick

PS We had some great paddling weather here in Minnesota this past 
weekend. It was practically a traffic jam conditions what with all 
the paddle-craft out on the Mississippi.


At 9:44 PM -0600 3/5/01, Chuck Holst wrote:
>The only alternative I've come up with is to temporarily stabilize my kayak
>by putting my primary and spare Greenland paddles under the foredeck safety
>lines so they stick out to either side. For obvious reasons, this wouldn't
>work with feathered paddles. So far, I have tried it only on flat water,
>where it worked well, though I did later break the tip off one paddle while
>trying to climb back into the kayak with the paddles so deployed.
>
>The other alternative I've read about is to brace the paddle across the
>shoulder and under the elbow while pulling the sprayskirt back on.
>
>Chuck Holst
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Peter D Osman [SMTP:rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au]
>Sent:	Monday, March 05, 2001 2:00 PM
>To:	Paddlewise
>Subject:	[Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
>
>G'Day,
>
>I've just spent a pleasant summer of weekends at Balmoral Beach, in Sydney
>Australia, learning a bit about rolling and reentry and rolling. Last week
>I
>took the roll into deep water but decided against attempting a reentry and
>roll. The problem is what do you do after a reentry once you are back up
>with a cockpit full of water and a spray skirt to put on and chop hitting
>you from every side?
>
>Is there any alternative to putting the spray skirt on under water? I
>prefer
>to reenter with the boat completely upside down as this is a smooth fast
>movement and you can take a break breathing inside the cockpit.
>
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From: Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom_at_att.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:43:14 -0500
Peter D Osman wrote:

>  Come to think of it could a paddlefloat be used to stabilise the boat
> after a reentry and roll?

Definitely. A paddle float can also be used DURING a reentry and roll. Install
it on the paddle just like you were planning to do a paddle float reentry, but
do a reentry and roll instead. The float guarantees that you will get up on the
first try. This is especially important if you're going to put the skirt on
while you're upside down, since you're only likely to have enough air for one
roll attempt. (personally, I don't even try to put the skirt on until I'm up)
Once you're up, you can use the paddle/float combination for support while
pumping out the boat, even installing it in the foredeck rigging like an
outrigger, if necessary.

--
Regards

Brian





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From: Thomas Cromwell <cthomas28_at_qwest.net>
subject: Re:[Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 03:39:49 -0800
>Is there any alternative to putting the spray skirt on
under water? I prefer
>to reenter with the boat completely upside down as this is
a smooth fast
>movement and you can take a break breathing inside the
cockpit.

I hook the front of the spry skirt on without completely
sealing the cockpit. It cuts  the amount of water in the
boat to a manageable level. Like every  technique discussed
on this list it depends on the boat/paddle you are using . I
have a Mariner MAX with a sliding seat. Before I reenter the
seat is moved back to make reentry easier.
Never had to do a reentry and roll for real, just in
practice situations.

PS  I fully seal the spray skirt on the beach before entring
the surf . "Duh"


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From: Colin Calder <c.j.calder_at_abdn.ac.uk>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:27:21 -0000
G'day PeterO

Just because your boat has water in it doesn't mean you can't paddle it!

I have a capella with IMHO a monstrously over large cockpit, so being a
safety conscious type who likes to fiddle with gadgets I fitted an electric
pump. Switch the pump on before the re-enter roll. I don't fit the deck
submerged, preferring to be back up paddling asap, and let the pump do the
job while if necessary moving out of trouble or re-fitting the spray deck.
However pump or not, if you have bulkheads etc there is no reason why if
needs must you can't just paddle your boat with water in it.  Sure the
handling of the boat changes when flooded (and in my boat particularly the
fore aft trim goes AWOL with lots of bow down trim), but its good practice
for balance and bracing skills to be able to paddle with water in the boat -
Free surface effect blah blah blah  - if you can roll a boat with water in
it i.e. re-enter roll, then you can brace and paddle a boat with water in
it. I was on a 5 star training course last year in fine rescue practice
conditions (Force 5 gusting 6+ and four knots of tide) and there was a lad
demonstrating how to stand up on one leg in a flooded knordkapp HM without a
paddleflat or sp*ns**n in sight. (his party trick exit for rescue practice
was an entertaining cartwheel down the foredeck before splashdown). Paddling
a boat with water in it isn't so hard. Try it.

Handling when flooded is a good reason though IMO to have a boat with
minimal cockpit volume, i.e. well placed bulkheads, pod, or (although I have
no experience with one) so folks on the list say a cockpit sock. For a
smaller volume and cockpit boat (something like say a valley anas or pintail
with ideally an ocean cockpit and bulkhead placed as a footrest) I think
that the electric pump even is pretty redundant - just re-enter roll and
paddle the boat out of immediate danger (the conditions which capsized you
in the first place ... cos this is for real isn't it ;-)) and then empty out
the water by whatever means you prefer - manual pump, rescue, landing etc.
Ever read Brian Wilson's 'Blazing paddles'?. A travel writing classic
paddle-log well worth a read, but relevant here because Brian paddled an old
knordcrap for his round Scotland odyssey which for much of the early trip
leaked badly. Every now and again he would stop and empty it but it didn't
stop him paddling ...  water in boat isn't the overwhelmingly debilitating
problem many folk imagine.


Cheers

Colin

57º19'N  2º10'W


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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:23:21 -0500
At 06:59 AM 3/6/01 +1100, Peter D Osman wrote:
>G'Day,
>
>
>Is there any alternative to putting the spray skirt on under water? I prefer
>to reenter with the boat completely upside down as this is a smooth fast
>movement and you can take a break breathing inside the cockpit.

I am having trouble visualizing how one does this.  Once you're feet
start going into the cockpit how do you get your head in for a breath
of air?  If your feet are not in the cockpit wouldn't be just as easy
to get your breath of air from outside the boat?

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From: <SeaKayakNH_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:47:10 EST
PeterO wrote:
<< Is there any alternative to putting the spray skirt on under water? I 
prefer to reenter with the boat completely upside down as this is a smooth 
fast movement and you can take a break breathing inside the cockpit. >>

JohnF wrote:
<< I am having trouble visualizing how one does this.  Once you're feet start 
going into the cockpit how do you get your head in for a breath of air?  If 
your feet are not in the cockpit wouldn't be just as easy to get your breath 
of air from outside the boat? >>

    I can't speak for PeterO, but I think I understand what he is talking 
about because I do something similar. To set up for a reentry and roll I put 
my head in the air pocket inside the cockpit of my inverted boat. After 
charging my lungs with a couple deep breaths I push my self down into the 
water as I rotate my feet and legs up into the boat, I can then pull the boat 
onto my hips and secure my lower body before I start the roll.  I find this 
easier than entering sideways and it has the added benefit of keeping more 
water out of the boat during the actual entry. I have not had any luck 
securing the skirt while inverted but I have to believe that it is possible 
with practice and may be easier with the use of nose plugs.
    Peter, is this the same thing you were talking about?

Jed
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From: Patrick Maun <pmaun_at_bitstream.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:42:43 -0600
OK,

I'm confused here. Why exactly do you need to catch a breath from the 
cockpit? Can't you just breath normally before starting the reenter? 
Big waves, wind?

How I do things I to grasp the boat combing with both hands facing 
sternwards. I have the paddle flush to the boat and held in one of my 
hands. Always check your paddle position before you get in the boat, 
I have had to roll too many times with an upside down, non-powerface 
etc paddle. I then somersault both feet onto my seat and then walk 
myself back into the boat making sure to more the foot pegs with my 
in case they've slip forward. Once I've locked my thighs I roll up. 
Strangely, when I first started doing this, my roll kept failing. I 
discovered that an extended paddle roll worked fine. After doing this 
a few times, my regular sweep roll started to work again. I think it 
may have just been the weirdness of trying to roll a flooded boat.

I haven't practiced paddling a flooded boat and will try that, good tip.

-Patrick


At 11:47 AM -0500 3/7/01, SeaKayakNH_at_aol.com wrote:
>
>     I can't speak for PeterO, but I think I understand what he is talking
>about because I do something similar. To set up for a reentry and roll I put
>my head in the air pocket inside the cockpit of my inverted boat. After
>charging my lungs with a couple deep breaths I push my self down into the
>water as I rotate my feet and legs up into the boat,
[SNIP]
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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:12:10 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Maun" <pmaun_at_bitstream.net>>
> I'm confused here. Why exactly do you need to catch a breath from the
> cockpit? Can't you just breath normally before starting the reenter?

For what it is worth, and I am not a reentry/roller, when I first saw this
technique used about a dozen years ago and seriously considering it as
something to learn, it was quite different from what seems to be the case
today.

In almost every case back then, the reentry/rollers kept the kayak totally
cockpit down and somersaulted in and attached the spray skirt before finally
coming up.  None were laying the boat on its side for re-entry because this
would draw too much water into the cockpit.  The technique was being
heralded precisely because it kept water out and avoided later pumping out.
The individuals doing it would take gulps of air here and there during the
steps described above.  It seemed highly doable even to this klutz.

I was quite stunned to see it demoed in Sea Kayaker a few years ago by Nigel
Foster as a side entry manuever since it was clearly scoping up copious
amounts of water.  It just looked wrong to me having seen it done better
earlier.

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From: Peter D Osman <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:09:56 +1100
John wrote
>I am having trouble visualizing how one does this.  Once you're feet
>start going into the cockpit how do you get your head in for a breath
>of air?  If your feet are not in the cockpit wouldn't be just as easy
>to get your breath of air from outside the boat?

G'Day John.

Sorry if it was obscure maybe my technique is wrong but this what I do
(corrections/improvements most welcome).

Once out I face the stern of the capsized boat, reach under water and take
the coaming by both hands while holding the paddle in one hand alongside the
kayak/coaming. Then I push my whole body under the water and the boat so
that my face is in the cockpit. This is the point where I take a breath,
orient myself and start bringing my legs up. The breathing step is probably
not necessary for an expert. Then I lay my head back under water, bringing
the knees up while still holding the cockpit, at the same time pushing the
head and shoulders well down away from the kayak while placing my legs in
the cockpit. Then pull the kayak on like a pair of trousers. All the time
holding my paddle alongside the cockpit.

At this point I roll up although the spray skirt is not on. My point was
that it would be useful to put the skirt on under water, but how to do this?

Derek Hutchinson describes the procedure in "The Complete Book of
Seakayaking" but warns that for safety it requires a friend to be present
while practising. He also doesn't suggest putting the face in the cockpit to
breathe, maybe one shouln't do this? I taught myself from verbal
descriptions so could have got it wrong - if so corrections would be
appreciated. The first time I tried I brushed my head against the cockpit
and made a bald head balder. Subsequent attempts have been no problem.

All the best, PeterO,

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From: Peter D Osman <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:50:46 +1100
G'Day,

Postscript - I sent my last reply before reading the latest Paddlewise
digest and seeing all the questions - not used to telephone modems yet!
Thanks for all the responses - here are the replies: -


Doug' wrote:
> A reliable Reentry and Rolls in real-world
> conditions is the sum of many parts. You
> can't break it down and say this or that is
> the most important part.  ................
> You can see the set-up I use at my
> Nordkapp page, along with some other photos:

		Doug, Thanks - I'll certainly check it out. I guess the learning of
techniques starts in pieces which become,   integrated with time - I sure
hope this applies to older paddlers like me!


Thomas Cromwell wrote:
> I hook the front of the spray skirt on without
> completely sealing the cockpit. It cuts the
> amount of water in the boat to a manageable level.

		Thomas, This sounds doable! Sounds good!


Colin Calder wrote:
> if you can roll a boat with water in it i.e.
> re-enter roll, then you can brace and paddle a boat
> with water in it.

		Colin, I paddle a small cockpit boat, with a handpump and an electric
pump, but as you suggest will try switching it on while submerged. Paddling
a cockpit full of water in rough conditions sounds like a highly worthwhile
exercise (with a friend nearby). I've capsized in conditions where there was
no easy route to safety and the chop was very severe for a novice. It wasn't
obvious to me that my ability to reenter and roll was consistent with an
ability to brace with a cockpit full of water in conditions a novice (me)
would consider rough (3 to 4 feet chop coming every which way and a 20 knot
wind). If I had been in a Klepper foldable these conditions would not have
concerned me a bit!


Jed wrote: -
> Peter, is this the same thing you were talking about?

		Jed, Yes my technique sounds the same as yours - but I'm going to work on
the bombproof roll you recommend. Occasionally have had to make three roll
attempts before getting up! HipFlick HipFlick HipFlick!


Patrick Maun wrote: -
> I'm confused here. Why exactly do you need to catch a breath
> from the cockpit? Can't you just breath normally before
> starting the reenter? Big waves, wind?
.....................
> Always check your paddle position before you get in the
> boat, I have had to roll too many times with an upside down,
> non-powerface etc paddle.

		Patrick, Just as you sometimes used to get into the boat with the paddle
backwards, sometimes I used to try to get in the boat facing forwards. The
breathing time allows me to check orientation, an expert probably wouldn't
do this. (By the way a local paddler stayed in this mode once to protect
himself from very severe hail.)


Ralph Diaz wrote: -
> In almost every case back then, the reentry/rollers kept
> the kayak totally cockpit down and somersaulted in and
> attached the spray skirt before finally coming up.

		Ralph, your description is my Eldorado and I can do everything except get
the spray skirt on. Haven't attempted this yet, but lots of hints from
Paddlewise. Once I can do this and pass my sea proficiency then I'll try it
on a Kepper Aerius, for fun! By comparison I've watched people reenter
hardshell boats on their side and it looks difficult and clumsy.

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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reentry & Roll - What then??
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 23:57:32 -0800
Peter D Osman wrote:

> G'Day,
>
> Postscript - I sent my last reply before reading the latest Paddlewise
> digest and seeing all the questions - not used to telephone modems yet!
> Thanks for all the responses - here are the replies: -
>
> Doug' wrote:
> > A reliable Reentry and Rolls in real-world
> > conditions is the sum of many parts. You
> > can't break it down and say this or that is
> > the most important part.  ................
> > You can see the set-up I use at my
> > Nordkapp page, along with some other photos:
>
>                 Doug, Thanks - I'll certainly check it out. I guess the learning of
> techniques starts in pieces which become,   integrated with time - I sure
> hope this applies to older paddlers like me!

(snip)
---------

Peter, et al:

As ralph pointed out, the way the Reentry & Roll (R&R) used to be taught was such that little
water would enter the cockpit by re-inverting to the upright position after fastening the
skirt underwater. I usually do a little instruction at the end of my paddlefloat clinics,
then go on to demonstrate the speed of the R&R over the full paddlefloat rescue, then go on
to help a few of the keeners try it out. I would say that the vast majority prefer a
side-scoop style reentry, as opposed to full inversion. With a very buoyant PFD, one almost
always floats by default to the horizontal position before completion, anyway, necessitating
more of a side entry, with consequential flooding. The side entry (kayak is laying on its
side as opposed to completely upside-down), can also be a little easier on the head in cold
water. Trying to get back in fully immersed, then orient your paddle's power face, then roll
back up remembering your hip snap -- all the while not perhaps seated as you normally would
be for a typical roll where you are locked in place -- all with an ice-cream headache, can be
very difficult indeed. On the flip side though, without a paddlefloat on the end of the
paddle, some paddlers may not have the sculling/bracing skills to right themselves once they
are sitting partially back in sideways. There are all kinds of tradeoffs, depending on your
methodology. I noticed some of the CRCA instructors here on the west coast of Canuk land are
advocating the side entry over full immersion, and actually coaching against full immersion.
I prefer to define the various parameters for students, then let them work with what suites
them and there boat/skill level best.

During my Trial Island incident a few years back, a full immersion R&R was too much for me to
handle, given the storm/tide/ poor fitness/mental malaise/lack of cold immersion headgear.
Every time I tried the full immersion method, I got a vertigo type response, and lacked the
savy/strength to get directly under the boat for the proper reverse wet exit, let alone do up
the spray skirt. Conditions were extreme, though. I tried the side entry method, but the
waves kept barreling toward me, flocking me with spin drift as well. I eventually said screw
that, and inflated my broad based backup plan, namely deploying my anti-hypothermia Sea Seat
(I very much doubt I would have had the dexterity to handle Sponsons).  I had done many prior
R&R's in rough water, as practice, and was very frustrated that I couldn't make it work at
the time. I have since gone back and perfected the points where I felt needed improvement,
and the failed attemt seems like a lifetime away, now. For practice, a nylon skirt easily
attaches upside down, but I must admit that my custom UK skirt with inner latex seal is
difficult to put on at the beach, let alone underwater. Of course, the idea is to not come
out of the boat in the first place. I wonder how easy a Tuliq (spelling escapes me tonight)
would be to reattach underwater. Of course, those type of paddlers never come out of their
boats, right?

I still prefer a full immersion R&R. You must get directly under your kayak, straight-arming
so you stay directly below and perpendicular to the cockpit.  Your dry suit better be burped.
My mental trick in times of stress is to simply remember that you are doing a REVERSE wet
exit, which means start the maneuver by looking at the reverse of you kayak. A mental trick
that works well as long as you know what end is the reverse of your kayak. Once back in,
upside down, the buoyancy of your PFD should push you in tight to your seat, for the roll
set-up. If tired, do and extended grip, lay-back roll. I guarantee that will work. A tether
is a nice back-up. If the skirt still needs attaching, you can get a breath, relax, then roll
over, reattach, then roll back up. The boat is definitely more stable upside down. But then
you already know that, as that is why the boat went over in the first place. I could go on ad
nauseum here, but my bed is calling my name. I also have a manuscript 50% done for Sea
Kayaker Magazine. I'm waiting for some rough weather to test a few more points out and get
some pics for the article, but it has been warm and calm this winter - drat! If SK rejects my
articlet, I'll submit to the next best payer, though my preference lies with them.

I also have three years worth of PW commentary, as well as other list-server posts on the
Reentry & Roll technique. The subject has come up a number of times. I'd give the threads to
Jackie (PW ones), but I only cut and pasted the portions that interested me, sorry. I'll
respond to the front deck paddle hold down tomorrow.

DL


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