ralph diaz said: <snip> " But the event depicted in that website does give one pause to think about survivability in cold water particularly about the dire predictions bantered around." ralph, I noticed your warning in the last issue of Canoe&Kayak Magazine, in the Sea Kayak Dispatch section, reminding paddlers to be prepared for cold water immersion, even though balmy spring air temps may be present. Good job highlighting the dangers, ralph. A timely reminder (providing Spring ever comes your way :-) ). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Take a look at this site: > http://www.oceanswims.com/YADA/viktor.html > > Doesn't it make you wonder a bit about cold water exposure > and how much a > human can take. Can I just be one of the first to say.... ARE THESE PEOPLE NUTS!!!!!! I had to turn the heat in the office up after just looking at the pictures on the web-site! 0 0 o <==== Does that look like teeth chattering on Frosty the Snowman? Probably ~~~ not, but you get the idea. Rick - Poquoson, VA (27 degrees at 7am, and ice forming on the creek leading out to the Bay, but just a dusting of snow) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<snip cold-water filleter's info> Dave Kruger wrote: >That's the good news. The bad news is that the acclimatization is lost >a little faster than it is gained: after a week's layoff, the >filleters could only do two hours of immersion (IIRC). The other bad news is that long-term nerve damage can result. My buddy's father just retired after 30+ years as a commercial meatcutter. While he wasn't exposed to as cold of temperatures as the filleters see, he spent 30+ years with his hands in 35-40*F meat. Darren said his Dad has little-to-no sensation of light touch in his hands, and cold and hot reception "isn't too hot" either. I think I'll take the "temporary" numbness, and not go for acclimatization! Shawn Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Shawn Baker wrote: > <snip cold-water filleter's info> > Dave Kruger wrote: > >That's the good news. The bad news is that the acclimatization is lost > >a little faster than it is gained: after a week's layoff, the > >filleters could only do two hours of immersion (IIRC). > The other bad news is that long-term nerve damage can result. My > buddy's father just retired after 30+ years as a commercial meatcutter. > While he wasn't exposed to as cold of temperatures as the filleters > see, he spent 30+ years with his hands in 35-40*F meat. Darren said > his Dad has little-to-no sensation of light touch in his hands, and > cold and hot reception "isn't too hot" either. Complicating the issue here is that a meatcutter is very prone to carpal tunnel syndrome (and its variants), which might also account for the loss of sensation. Any thoughts in that direction, Shawn? I've never encountered any long-lasting after effects from immersion of my hands in water, but I have not cut meat for 30 years, either!! -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: >Complicating the issue here is that a meatcutter is very prone to >carpal tunnel syndrome (and its variants), which might also account for >the loss of sensation. Any thoughts in that direction, Shawn? I'll ask him. The family also has a custom butcher shop at their ranch. I think his mom has had problems with CTS, but I don't recall his dad having had any. Perhaps his technique was "more ergonomically correct" to have lasted 30 years with no CTS problems. Certainly, the possibility of a repetitive-motion type injury would be there, and proof again that good technique is a Good Thing, especially over a long timespan. Parallels could easily be drawn to good paddling technique being easier on your body than bad--in the short run and in the long run. >I've never encountered any long-lasting after effects from immersion of >my hands in water, but I have not cut meat for 30 years, either!! It's possibly one of those chronic vs. acute things. Shawn Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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