----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Schade" <schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com> > > > >Right then and there I pledged to myself never to come across that way for a > >trip that was being advertised to a large group of people. Don't get me > >wrong. Trips often do need qualifications but an open trip is an open trip. > >If people show up who are less than qualified then the leader should be > >ready to alter the dimensions of the entire trip (where is it written that > >every trip must be challenging?) or split the group into two trips with one > >within the ability of the weaker arrivals and the other offering a challenge > >for the better paddlers. > > I understand how their attitude would put you off. But I also > understand their desire to paddle where they want to and not want to > compromise just because someone came who is not up to the trip. I > could see that if this happened a few times they would just stop > posting notifications about their plans. Maybe they felt it was > better to let people know about their trip and come across as ornery > than to keep their plans to themselves thus giving no one had the > opportunity to join them. I wish I had saved the exact language used in the announcement that I found off-putting. It came across as stuck-up not safety-conscious. It wasn't a matter of saying that a trip would be demanding but rather that "some of us are important people who don't want to be wet-nosing any unanointed paddlers." Again, I have nothing against setting qualifications for a demanding trip and sticking by them. But if you are doing an all-comers weekend, then you should keep the number of those demanding trips to a minimum and provide opportunities for lesser-beings. Of course, you can't take everyone. If someone shows for a 30 mile round-Manhattan trip but has little hope of completing it with the group (say they are in a Walden Naturalist which would be difficult to get up to any speed), you can't let them come and you are not going to do a one/eighth circumnavigation to please them. But if you announce a weekend under the umbrella of an organization, you should not assume that everyone in the organization is at one's own elite level. I think one can set a trip that is a happy compromise that will press the lesser-paddlers to reach a bit while not boring the elite ones. There are a number of Paddling Trip Dynamics 101 tips that can make a pretty successful trip of combined-level paddlers. I think in that setting, both elite and less-than-elite paddlers can both gain from the experience. I firmly believe in tailoring open trips to the paddling level that shows up, to a degree. Say you have a 15 mile trip planned but it isn't involving some specific destination critical to the trip's nature. If people show who can only do 10 miles, why not adjust to that level? You can always paddle the 15 miles or more some other day. Mixed groups of skilled and less-skilled paddlers do learn from each other. Obviously, if the person shows up clueless without proper gear and can't even get into his boat, then you can't include him. ralph diaz *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Fri Apr 27 2001 - 13:50:14 PDT
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.4.0 : Thu Aug 21 2025 - 16:30:42 PDT