Peter K wrote:> >On the paddle float idea, I >do not recommend a Northwater float for people above 160 lbs. I >weigh 220 and do not use mine for anything other than rolling >practice. Does anybody know if anybody makes a solid float with more >buoyancy? If you're putting that much downward pressure on your paddlefloat, you're probably going to start breaking paddles. Shawn Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 4/17/01 1:28:26 PM, shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com writes: << If you're putting that much downward pressure on your paddlefloat, you're probably going to start breaking paddles. >> Shawn, How do you avoid it if you aren't real agile? I have to clamber back into the boat with a stirrup. I often find, with boats other than mine, that I still tip the boats to the point of taking on water as I step up. I try to do it quickly but that isn't always possible. Bringing the end of the paddle closer to the boat limits the tipping BUT puts more pressure on the paddle. Joan Spinner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dear Shawn, <snip> >If you're putting that much downward pressure on your paddlefloat, >you're probably going to start breaking paddles. > >Shawn <snip> I paddle a Lightning standard shaft. (Yeah, I am enough of a nerd to use ultralite blades). What to you think the breaking strength of that paddle is? How much buoyancy do you think a Northwater paddle float has? I am sure it is less than 25 pounds. How much force does a paddler put on a shaft when they do a full-power forward stroke or an extended or slap brace? (Much less an over the paddle assisted rescue). Has anyone on this list ever heard of anyone breaking a shaft of a decent paddle, even an ultralight shaft, in a paddle float rescue? Seems to me like even an object with 50 bounds buoyancy would just go down before even my beautiful old Malone would break. Given my 225 lb. carcass I do double up the paddles for an over the paddles rescue, and favor single piece shafts. The simpler the equipment, the less things there are to break. :-) I do like your kayak building pages. Very generous and informative. Perhaps you'll help me out if I have the good fortune to build a clc boat. I'm sure I could use it! All the Best, Peter K *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Happens all the time, except down under (they don't have paddlefloats). Matt has even broken a shaft while forward paddling (don't ever get on the wrong side of this big guy). I've broken 2 doing PF self rescues, one on a reenter and roll, and a few surfing. One broke at the lake when I slipped off the rear deck and something caught on the shaft (fixed outrigger). The PF submerged to about 60 degrees, and the shaft couldn't take it any longer. Snap. DL ------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:10:29 -0400 From: "P.or.N. K." <peak_at_gis.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solid Paddle Floats, shafts breaking? Dear Shawn, <snip> >If you're putting that much downward pressure on your paddlefloat, >you're probably going to start breaking paddles. > >Shawn <snip> I paddle a Lightning standard shaft. (Yeah, I am enough of a nerd to use ultralite blades). What to you think the breaking strength of that paddle is? How much buoyancy do you think a Northwater paddle float has? I am sure it is less than 25 pounds. How much force does a paddler put on a shaft when they do a full-power forward stroke or an extended or slap brace? (Much less an over the paddle assisted rescue). Has anyone on this list ever heard of anyone breaking a shaft of a decent paddle, even an ultralight shaft, in a paddle float rescue? Seems to me like even an object with 50 bounds buoyancy would just go down before even my beautiful old Malone would break. Given my 225 lb. carcass I do double up the paddles for an over the paddles rescue, and favor single piece shafts. The simpler the equipment, the less things there are to break. :-) I do like your kayak building pages. Very generous and informative. Perhaps you'll help me out if I have the good fortune to build a clc boat. I'm sure I could use it! All the Best, Peter K *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug writes: "Happens all the time, except down under (they don't have paddlefloats)." Nice trawl Doug, got me right in. It's true paddlefloats don't enjoy wide popularity in Australia. I notice a definite inverse correlation between skill and paddlefloat possession. The better paddlers don't have them, and rely on skill, rolling, re-enter and roll, and bracing and not needing rescue in the first place. Less experienced turkeys are seen with paddlefloats, and seem to be the ones who seem to need fishing out. At present, I try to pump up skill, but still carry a paddlefloat. I must say the only use for the paddlefloat on the recent Easter trip was as a pillow. Too bad about the salty residue all over it. Maybe a paddlefloat shaped like a blow-up Australian Rules football would be more popular here. Or a blow-up mermaid... or a blow-up white pointer towed behind the boat for PWC deterrent purposes. PT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Peter said: Doug writes: "Happens all the time, except down under (they don't have paddlefloats)." Nice trawl Doug, got me right in. Wasn't a trawl. Just a funny: no paddlefloats, therefore, no paddlefloat induced paddle breakage. Besides, you guys break enough paddles fending off crocks, pushing away sharks, flicking off box-jellyfish, and flinging away poisons spiders. But hey, I do have an outdoors magazine from your land of skill down under/up over (or whatever is politically correct to call it), that has pics of a step-by-step breakdown of the Paddlefloat Self Rescue. The article is a few years old now. They didn't mention the dual purpose camp pillow aspect of the float however, which was a bit disappointing -- considering the worlds greatest paddler (Paul C) used his camp mattress as an emergency impromptu outrigger float-support for a self rescue a few years back. Hmmmm. 8-) Doug the Bug *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I paddle a Lightning standard shaft. (Yeah, I am enough of a >nerd to use ultralite blades). What to you think the breaking >strength of that paddle is? Those Lightnings are pretty burly--read my post to Joan's query. Essentially, you want to use the paddlefloat outrigger for support, but learn to use a swim-kicking motion to help you up onto the aft deck, rather than having to climb aboard and put so much pressure on the paddle (and a lot of strain on your upper body!) > How much buoyancy do you think a Northwater paddle float has? I am sure it is less than 25 pounds. I'd guess 15-20 pounds or so. >How much force does a paddler put on a shaft when they do a >full-power forward stroke or an extended or slap brace? Would you believe 5-7 lbs? A strong touring stroke is probably only 3-4 lbs. >(Much less an over the paddle assisted rescue) Here you probably have the potential to break paddles easier than with a paddlefloat rescue. Much less "give" in the system. >Has anyone on this list ever heard of anyone breaking a shaft of a >decent paddle, even an ultralight shaft, in a paddle float rescue? Yes. >Seems to me like even an object with 50 bounds buoyancy would just go >down before even my beautiful old Malone would break. It should, unless you apply the weight suddenly, and the float doesn't sink _fast_ enough. >I do like your kayak building pages...could help me out if I have the good >fortune to build a clc boat. Thanks! Hey, whatever you would ever choose to build, I'd be happy to be of assistance. Safe paddling, Shawn Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Joan, Stirrups can sometimes create as many problems as they solve by actually assisting (negative connotation) with boat roll. Also, you shouldn't be "climbing aboard". Rather, you need to be "seal landing" on the deck, sort of like swimming up onto it. I usually get my feet out horizontal, pull and push the kayak toward me then away a few times preparing momentum, then pull up easily onto the deck. Matt has some good pointers about this on his web site. DL --------------- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:40:17 EDT From: JSpinner_at_aol.com Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solid Paddle Floats In a message dated 4/17/01 1:28:26 PM, shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com writes: << If you're putting that much downward pressure on your paddlefloat, you're probably going to start breaking paddles. >> Shawn, How do you avoid it if you aren't real agile? I have to clamber back into the boat with a stirrup. I often find, with boats other than mine, that I still tip the boats to the point of taking on water as I step up. I try to do it quickly but that isn't always possible. Bringing the end of the paddle closer to the boat limits the tipping BUT puts more pressure on the paddle. Joan Spinner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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