To whom: I have never seen the logic of the "bow and stern" lines, as most people use them. What I do is: (1-2) Tye the boat in two locations with straps. On the saddles. Then: (3) - Use an extra rope tied to the front of the boat, parallel to the ground and boat, tied somewhere on the car, amidship the boat. Then: (4) - Use an extra rope tied to the rear of the boat, parallel to the ground and boat, tied somewhere to the car, amidship the boat. If I really want Security: Then: (5) - Use an extra rope tied to the front of the boat, parallel to the ground and boat, tied somewhere on the other side of the car, amidship the boat. Then: (6) - Use an extra rope tied to the rear of the boat, parallel to the ground and boat, tied somewhere to the other side of the car, amidship the boat. If needed - I can provide a diagram. Wayne Smith -------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
What I do from time to time, especially on longer trips (with the car) is a rope tied to the front (of the kayak), running over the car to the rear (of the car) and fix it there. This will avoid a potential "shoot out" during a heavy break manouvre. Thats a general problem you canīt solve with line around the boat and bow lines down to the car. If the kayak would slidder to the front, the long rope (across the car) will avoid this totally. Negative is, you canīt get to the storage room (of the car) easily and the rope might cause some noise on the roof. But a vertical bow line should be minimun, just think on Mr. Murphy.... What might happen, will happen someday! best regards Jochen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wayne Smith wrote: >I have never seen the logic of the "bow and stern" lines, as most people use >them. I use two bow lines and two stern lines for a single kayak on my Yakima tower system on my Toyota sedan. I can see the lines clearly while I'm driving, so if there is any shift on the rack, I can detect it immediately, which gives me peace of mind if nothing else. I have heard stories of racks flying off on freeways and although I have faith in my rack system I have had metal things fail for no predictable reason, and there is always the possibility that since I remove and reinstall the rack each time I use it, I might miss something or forget to strap the kayak on after a long day on the water. There is considerable lift on the bow during highway speeds and the bow lines pick up this load rather than the front of the rack being lifted. When I first travelled with the rack and lines, I had the kayak too far forward and I could immediately sense the side torque in the lines when I hit a side wind, so the lines do help in finding the right balance so the rack isn't taking up that load as well. The lines do nothing for reducing torsion on the rack risers due to fore and aft accelleration, where as Wayne's system of tying down might help some if it were properly tensioned. I haven't considered this a weak point in my system however, short of a collision. I have convienent tie down attachments under my bumpers on each side, so that is the only place to tie to unless I started drilling holes in the car. So, that's my logic. Al Gunther, Kingston, WA <---- 47° 48.1'N, 122° 30.0'W *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:00 am 20/04/01 -0700, you wrote: >Wayne Smith wrote: > > >I have never seen the logic of the "bow and stern" lines, as most people use > >them. [AG wrote] >I have convienent tie down attachments under my bumpers on each side, If you've ever driven with a gale blowing on the side of the vehicle you'll appreciate front and rear lines, especially if you have a short vehicle with nearly half the length of the front of the kayak unsupported. I also have had convenient tie-down points on the vehicle I've used. I can also see what is happening to the kayaks as far as possible movement, whether lines are tight enough etc. Alex . . Alex (Sandy) Ferguson Chemistry Department University of Canterbury New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wayne Smith wrote: > For those that requested a diagram - See my web site > > http://www.waynesmith.net/bow_stern.htm > > Wayne Smith *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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