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From: Patrick Maun <pmaun_at_bitstream.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] New Khatsalano - Tips?
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:29:22 -0500
Hey all,

well the new boat arrived with Steve the UPS guy yesterday. It's a 
Feathercraft Khatsalano regular. I assembled it in my studio which I 
am really enjoying as I live on the 5th floor with no way to get any 
of my other boats up here. Now I can play around with packing 
scenarios before I get to the beach.

A couple of questions:
Any tips for assembly? It went together fairly easily, though lining 
up the expanders was kind of a hassle. I ended up scoring them with a 
pen so I can tell when they are aligned correctly. I'm sure some of 
you have some secrets. I think I'll get a light tarp for onsite 
assembly.

I won't get to paddle until Monday, but I am pretty sure I am going 
to want some padding. Does anyone know who makes those new inflatable 
hip pads? How do the fit the Khats? Who sells 'em.

Any packing tips? I primarily pack with #15 and #25 light nylon Seal 
Lion Kodiac drybags. I have a copy of Doug Simpson's packing list and 
will go over that.

Any other tips?

Now I have to pay for the thing. Anyone want to buy my car?

-Patrick
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From: Joshua Teitelbaum <teitelba_at_post.tau.ac.il>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Khatsalano - Tips?
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 08:05:57 +0300
First Patrick, congratulations, and please accept my envy.  Now you can
sit in your new Khatsalano while watching TV (I can only hold my paddle)!  
And you should definitely hang it on th wall, assembled.  It is a work of
art.

As for assembly tips, ask Ralph Diaz, and consider subscribing to his
Folding Kayaker.

As for hip pads, they were reviewed in Sea Kayaker a few issues
back.  Look like a good idea.

As for your car, can't help you...

Best,

Josh

On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Patrick Maun wrote:

> well the new boat arrived with Steve the UPS guy yesterday. It's a
> Feathercraft Khatsalano regular. I assembled it in my studio which I
> am really enjoying as I live on the 5th floor with no way to get any
> of my other boats up here. Now I can play around with packing
> scenarios before I get to the beach.

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From: Grant Emison <gemison_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Khatsalano - Tips?
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:00:09 -0700 (PDT)
Hey Patrick,

Congratulations.  I recently bought a used regular
kaht.  It took me quite a while to figure out how to
get the thing together.  I had a more fundamental
problem than the alignment of the expanders.  I didn't
get the concept at all.  Only after over an hour did I
realize that I was supposed to put the two tubes
together and then stretch them until the dimple popped
out, rather than stretching them to their fulll extent
to get the tubes together.  Sort of silly I know.  

One trick mentioned by Ralph Diaz that helped me was
to think of the initial bow and stern assemblies as
the frames of an umbrella and to pull them into a
tighter cone as you put them into the skin of the
boat.  

To your question about hip pads: you should paddle the
thing to see whether you think you need them.  The
boat fits me tightly enough that I am not going to get
them for a while.  Feathercraft has them listed as an
accessory (with no price) on their web site.  Folding
kayak adventures
http://www.foldingkayak.com/accessories.htm lists them
for $50.  

I will be interested in getting your first impressions
of the boat after you get it into the water.  I was
astounded by its lack of primary stability.  I
literally wore myself out flicking my hips back and
forth trying to fight it.  On subsequent outings I
learned to trust the boat's secondary stability and to
let the thing wobble a bit.  

I find that the boat takes on a lot of water after a
wet exit and that it is difficult to drain through an
assisted "T" rescue.  I think this is a combination of
the fact that it has no bulkheads and that it flexes a
bit when lifted from one end.  So I suggest you use
the sea sock, annoying as it is, along with the float
bags.  

I have a follow up question for any kaht owners out
there.  My boat takes on more water than I think it
should when the coaming is below the water line (as
when I am skulling).  When I do this I can feel the
water coming into the boat Is my sprayskirt not
tightly enough attached to the boat?  Is there
something about the folding of the skin into the
coaming or the attachment of the sea sock that I am
missing?  Is there a difference between the seal made
by the neoprene sealed sea sock and the nylon one?  Or
are my expectations wrong about what the tightness of
the seal of the cockpit should be?  

Best, 
Grant

P.S. I work for Banta Integrated Media across the
street; do you want to hire a project manager for your
development group?  But seriously... I'd love to go
paddling in the Charles or the Harbor if you're
interested.  

> well the new boat arrived with Steve the UPS guy
> yesterday. It's a 
> Feathercraft Khatsalano regular. I assembled it in
> my studio which I 
> am really enjoying as I live on the 5th floor with
> no way to get any 
> of my other boats up here. Now I can play around
> with packing 
> scenarios before I get to the beach.
> 
> A couple of questions:
> Any tips for assembly? It went together fairly
> easily, though lining 
> up the expanders was kind of a hassle. I ended up
> scoring them with a 
> pen so I can tell when they are aligned correctly.
> I'm sure some of 
> you have some secrets. I think I'll get a light tarp
> for onsite 
> assembly.
> 
> I won't get to paddle until Monday, but I am pretty
> sure I am going 
> to want some padding. Does anyone know who makes
> those new inflatable 
> hip pads? How do the fit the Khats? Who sells 'em.
> 


=====
Grant Emison
Cambridge, MA
gemison_at_yahoo.com

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From: <FoldingBoats_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Khatsalano - Tips?
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:59:37 EDT
In a message dated 4/29/01 6:28:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gemison_at_yahoo.com writes:

> ... My boat takes on more water than I think it should when the coaming is 
> below the water line (as when I am skulling).  When I do this I can feel 
> the water coming into the boat ...

Is the water entering the hull itself or the seasock? Are both seasock and 
spraydeck wrinkle free around the coaming? Is the bead around the edge fo the 
deck material fully seated in the coaming all the way around?

Best regards,
Ralph

Ralph C. Hoehn
Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com
www.PouchBoats.com


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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Khatsalano - Tips?
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:07:31 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: <FoldingBoats_at_aol.com>
> > ... My boat takes on more water than I think it should when the coaming
is
> > below the water line (as when I am skulling).  When I do this I can feel
> > the water coming into the boat ...
>
> Is the water entering the hull itself or the seasock? Are both seasock and
> spraydeck wrinkle free around the coaming? Is the bead around the edge fo
the
> deck material fully seated in the coaming all the way around?
>

There have been discussions on this in my newsletter.  Basically, a paddler
using a sea sock needs to bleed air out of the hull or face having the sea
sock cling to him.  But that creates a bit of negative pressure in the hull
and when you tip over that negative pressure or small vacuum tends to suck
water in.

The solution that has been worked out by Feathercraft is to improve the
seasock.  It is now available with a neoprene rim.  That, mated with a
neoprene sprayskirt (or a combi skirt with a nylon tunnel and neoprene
deck), tends to minimize the amount of such water entry.  You also may be
getting leakage through the seam.  It was only in the year 2000 that
Feathercraft finally introduced the welded seams.

ralph diaz--
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From: <FoldingBoats_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Khatsalano - Tips?
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:23:17 EDT
Ralph Diaz: ... a paddler using a sea sock needs to bleed air out of the hull or face having the sea sock cling to him.  But that creates a bit of negative pressure in the hull and when you tip over that negative pressure or small vacuum tends to suck water in. ...

Ralph Hoehn: It's exactly this phenomenon, with which I've been trying to come to grips: If "burping" the seasock is only a temporary measure due to leaks in the hull or between the sea sock and the coaming, then aren't we faced with a clingy seasock again? 

Or is the leak in the original question so small that it was really a "red herring" to worry about the tiny amounts of water that would have come in by the time the seasock would have long "deflated" already?

Was the "new" Khatsalano already equipped with neoprene reinforced seasock rims?

Best regards,
Ralph

Ralph C. Hoehn
Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com
www.PouchBoats.com

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From: <HTERVORT_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Khatsalano - Tips?
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:44:44 EDT
In a message dated 4/30/01 9:34:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
FoldingBoats_at_aol.com writes:

> 
>  Ralph Hoehn: It's exactly this phenomenon, with which I've been trying to 
> come to grips: If "burping" the seasock is only a temporary measure due to 
> leaks in the hull or between the sea sock and the coaming, then aren't we 
> faced with a clingy seasock again? 
>  

>  Or is the leak in the original question so small that it was really a "red 
> herring" to worry about the tiny amounts of water that would have come in 
by 
> the time the seasock would have long "deflated" already?
>  

My sock stays off me for the day.  I don't experience any "deflating sock 
syndrome" in my Sealskin Khats or in the old stitched-skin version.  However, 
I do have a foam plug (like a bulkhead) inside the sock which keeps the sock 
open at the footpegs.  I found that my footwear would sometimes hook the sock 
and pull wrinkles in it during hasty exits, so the plug was added to solve 
that problem.

>  Was the "new" Khatsalano already equipped with neoprene reinforced seasock 
> rims?
>  

Not the first ones out.  Mine has the all-nylon version.  The Khats does come 
with an all-neoprene skirt though.  This seems to help seal the sock/coaming 
seam pretty well.  I don't get more than a cup or two of water in a four hour 
paddle even though the coaming edge spends a good deal of time under water.  
I will get more in when practicing rolls and re-entries.
The suggestions about managing the puckers around the coaming were well said 
and probably the most vital solution.  Also, adjusting the tension on the 
spray skirt could help.

Harold
Happy Khats owner


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From: <HTERVORT_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Khatsalano - Tips?
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:29:25 EDT
Patrick, 

To get back to your original questions:

In a message dated 4/28/01 5:32:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
pmaun_at_bitstream.net writes:

> 
>  A couple of questions:
>  Any tips for assembly? It went together fairly easily, though lining 
>  up the expanders was kind of a hassle. I ended up scoring them with a 
>  pen so I can tell when they are aligned correctly. I'm sure some of 
>  you have some secrets. I think I'll get a light tarp for onsite 
>  assembly.

Two things that are easy to mix up and which will make hassles for you are:  
1. The proper order of assembly, and  2. Which end goes in first.  I have 
made notes to myself on the crossribs and on a small waterproof card which I 
keep with the boat.  You can get to the point where everything is automatic, 
but I don't build the boat that often.  With the expansion tubes, I find it 
much easier to insert the forward ends into the bow assembly first, then the 
rear ends.  Pull the tubes toward the center of the boat and move around 
until the proper alignment allows them to slip together easily.  If you are 
talking about aligning them around their longitudinal axis so that the pins 
align with the ribs, use the lever bar in the tubes to turn them into 
alignment.

>  
>  I won't get to paddle until Monday, but I am pretty sure I am going 
>  to want some padding. Does anyone know who makes those new inflatable 
>  hip pads? How do the fit the Khats? Who sells 'em.
>  

I have the hip pads and like them.  They are an easy way to tighten up the 
fit of the boat.  Experiment with the strap installment as well as the 
inflation to get the proper fit.  I run the straps so that the top edge of 
the bag is tucked up over the reinforcement (truss) bars.

To stabilize the seat, I use the 2 binding straps which come around the 
rolled-up skin.  Install one across the crease between the back and bottom of 
the seat and around rib 4 to hold the seat back and down.  Run the other 
across the back of the seat, forward beneath the seat angle straps, up over 
the front of the seat back wings, over rib 4 and under the rear deck bar, to 
hold the set back tight against the rib.

>  Any packing tips? I primarily pack with #15 and #25 light nylon Seal 
>  Lion Kodiac drybags. I have a copy of Doug Simpson's packing list and 
>  will go over that.
>  

I drilled holes in the plastic at the bow and stern and installed running 
lines to allow me to pull the bow and stern flotation bags (installed brass 
grommets) and/or gear bags into place.  Stay away from any bags with 
plasticized exteriors which will stick to other bags or the skin.  The 
see-thru bags are the worst, nylon the best.  Long and thin works best, 
tapers are great in the bow and stern.
Pack most of the weight in the aft compartment.  Compute Doug Simpson's 
weight distribution from his packing list and then realize he designed the 
Khats' rudder system and strap-on skeg after that trip.  The boat needs a 
strong rear weight bias to track well with my 150-lb body weight.  I carry 
about 2 to 2-1/2 gallons of water behind the rear hatch when day paddling 
without camping gear to trim the Khats for weather helm.  When camping, I 
carry water much further aft than I do in most boats.

>  Any other tips?
>  

Use the seasock -- it will save the boat from abrasion and corrosion inside 
and make re-entries/rescues easier.  I have a shaped foam plug which I 
install inside mine to give me a stable, shaped footrest and keep the sock 
straight (I don't use a rudder).  A  floor of 1/2-inch minicell foam 
installed inside the hull between ribs 2 & 3 before you install the sock will 
protect the sock's coating from abrasion and provide your heals with thermal 
insulation from the water.

Buy a large container of the Boeshield T-9 that was supplied with the boat 
and coat the entire tube set with it on a periodic basis to protect from 
corrosion.  Lube the mating parts every couple times you assemble if you 
routinely assemble/disassemble for day paddles.

Enjoy the boat and report back anything to discover that we can help you with 
or that might help us.

Congratulations.

Harold 

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