Peter Chopelas wrote: > Also I do not think I have seen anyone make a high aspect "native" style > paddle with light weight composites, with a foam core. Traditionalists > would probably cry foul, but it would be interesting to see what could be > done with composites. The Werner Arctic Wind, one of my two favorite paddles, comes close to this description. Wish I had another. (Anyone seen one for sale?) Werner made an all-carbon version, too, of which I've only seen one, paddled by a fellow out on Argo Pond in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Curiously, he used it feathered! A true Greenland style paddle with a foam core and composite skin would be a pretty neat toy. Super light and super buoyant- a great rolling tool. I have a friend who does composite structures for industrial applications; I wonder what it would take to bribe him into this project...? -- mike --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Edelman mje_at_spamcop.net http://www.foldingkayaks.org (nomadics) http://www.findascope.com (choosing a telescope) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:44 PM 5/18/01 -0400, Michael Edelman wrote: >Peter Chopelas wrote: > >> Also I do not think I have seen anyone make a high aspect "native" style >> paddle with light weight composites, with a foam core. WRONG check out http://www.superiorkayaks.com/superiorkayaks006.htm Composite Paddles Digitally reproduced from our computer carved wood paddles, these composite paddles provide you with another medium for this great design. Foam cored for flotation, you will be amazed at the strength, warmth and feel of these beautiful black paddles. Fiberglass paddles are 90% glass and 10% carbon, with a striking satin black finish. Dana http://fska.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I was wondering when somebody would make one commercially. I was discussing just this topic last summer on a trip with a fellow Paddlewiser, and the first time I paddled with him this year, he showed up with a home-built greenland paddle that had a balsa core and carbon/glass layed over it. He even put on kevlar tips, for abrasion resistance. It weighed next to nothing compared to my pine/aspen greenland paddle. Another idea for a project........ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Wayne Smith wsmith16_at_snet.net Check out my sea kayaking & homebrewing page: http://pages.cthome.net/wsmith16/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net> To: <Paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] High-tech Greenland paddles? > At 01:44 PM 5/18/01 -0400, Michael Edelman wrote: > >Peter Chopelas wrote: > > > >> Also I do not think I have seen anyone make a high aspect "native" style > >> paddle with light weight composites, with a foam core. > > WRONG > check out http://www.superiorkayaks.com/superiorkayaks006.htm > Composite Paddles > Digitally reproduced from our computer carved wood paddles, these composite > paddles provide you with another medium for this great design. Foam cored > for flotation, you will be amazed at the strength, warmth and feel of these > beautiful black paddles. > Fiberglass paddles are 90% glass and 10% carbon, with a striking satin > black finish. > > Dana > http://fska.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark Rogers from Superior Kayaks is working on a f/g and carbon, foam core, Greenland stik. He was *suppose* to get me a finished paddle a while back. I will re-establish contact and see what's up. I have been using his wooden paddle for about 5 years and love it. Steve _at_ home aldercreek.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mike wrote: > A true Greenland style paddle with a foam core and composite skin would be > a pretty neat toy. Super light and super buoyant- a great rolling tool. I > have a friend who does composite structures for industrial applications; I > wonder what it would take to bribe him into this project...? Take a look at: http://www.seakayakitaly.com/en/pics/pics.htm This is an italiant seakayking company, and they use something quiete like a composite greenlander. At : http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/mag/30/paddle.html You find instructions for building a composite 28 oz. greenlander- lookalike. Greetings, Merijn ****************************** Merijn Wijnen Vinkenhofje 8 5613 CN Eindhoven The Netherlands Tel.: 040-2939991 (job: 040-2650539) Fax: same as tel., call before sending or try twice E-mail: Home: merijn_at_music.demon.nl Job: m.wijnen_at_ind.tno.nl Web-site: http://www.music.demon.nl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sat, 19 May 2001, merijn wijnen wrote: > > A true Greenland style paddle with a foam core and composite skin would be > > a pretty neat toy. Super light and super buoyant > > Take a look at: > http://www.seakayakitaly.com/en/pics/pics.htm > > This is an italiant seakayking company, and they use something > quiete like a composite greenlander. I've paddled with SKI, and used that paddle, and it's neither super light nor super buoyant.Disappointly heavy in fact. I pawned it off on the beginner in our group who didn't know any better and used one of the wooden Greenland paddles they provided, which are carved by a guy on Elba. I agree, though that a carbon/Kevlar version might be highly neat. Steve Cramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Scherrer wrote: > Mark Rogers from Superior Kayaks is working on a f/g and carbon, foam core, > Greenland stik. He was *suppose* to get me a finished paddle a while back. > I will re-establish contact and see what's up. I have been using his wooden > paddle for about 5 years and love it. They're advertising wood, 'glass and carbon paddles: http://www.superiorkayaks.com/superiorkayaks008.htm -- mike ------------------------- Michael Edelman mje_at_spamcop.net http://www.foldingkayaks.org http://www.findascope.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The balsa-cored greenland paddle builder Wayne Smith referred to is me. A laminated balsa core was carved to shape then layed up with: a. 1" wide unidirectional carbon fiber tape front and back, b. three layers of 3 oz cloth on shaft, two on the shoulders of the blade, and one at the tips, c. kevlar on tips for abrasion resistance. I used 24 hr epoxy laminating resin and vacuum bagged the layers on one at a time. Length 7 feet. Weight 22 oz. I experimented with spyder foam (a crush-resistant styrene foam) as a core material but quickly gave up as it was too floppy to shape easily. The paddle has held up to some fairly agressive paddling, though I haven't used it as a brace for entering and exiting the cockpit. I think it is probably strong enough for that, but ..... My only complaint is that the carbon makes the paddle quite stiff with a very quick flex (like a graphite fishing rod) rather than the softer feel, and slower flex of wood. Clark Bowlen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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