What are some of the things I might need to know or should think about that differ from paddling solo? Tom Dowling I paddle a double with my wife a lot. Ours is a Libra by Current Designs. When we first went out in Lake Michigan we tried to tip it over to practice wet exits. We're both relatively light - we couldn't, I mean really we could not, tip it over by leaning. I had to stand up on the gunnel to get it leaning enough to take on enough water to finally swamp. This stability is annoying in big waves when leaning would be helpful for balance. But it's nice for scouting, I just stand on my seat and look around. I used to race 4 man kayaks and they never tip. The more people paddling in unison, the more stability, in my experience. The double goes fast. We sometime meet up with a champion C-2 marathon crew on our home river and we can keep up with them for miles. I sit in front and my wife in back just to aggravate the traditional people who say the man must drive. And the rudder really is necessary when it is windy, sweep strokes just don't do enough in a four meter boat. We sometimes use a kite to pull us along on the Mississippi where the river is wide. There's so much room that we travel in luxury. Re-entries are a real pain if there is no other boat to help. But most if all, it is FAST! Jim Tibensky _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I seem to remember that Ralph Diaz previously also recommended "Keep Australia on Your Left" (by Eric Stiller) as a really interesting book about paddling a double folder. By all means bring both for the trip around Manhattan tomorrow, Tom!! ;-) Best regards, Ralph Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: <FoldingBoats_at_aol.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> > I seem to remember that Ralph Diaz previously also recommended "Keep Australia on Your Left" (by Eric Stiller) as a really interesting book about paddling a double folder. > > By all means bring both for the trip around Manhattan tomorrow, Tom!! ;-) > > Best regards, > Ralph The other Ralph is doing swim support tomorrow in a double foldable (a Pouch I assume) for the 20th swim circumnavigation of the island. Each swim has a kayaker(s) and a motorboat. Record time is in the 6 hr range for the 28 miles. You will have a lot of fun with Tom. Great guy. ralph diaz *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:16 AM 6/22/01 -0400, ralph diaz wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: <FoldingBoats_at_aol.com> >To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> > > > I seem to remember that Ralph Diaz previously also recommended "Keep >Australia on Your Left" (by Eric Stiller) as a really interesting book about >paddling a double folder. > > > > By all means bring both for the trip around Manhattan tomorrow, Tom!! ;-) > > > > Best regards, > > Ralph > >The other Ralph is doing swim support tomorrow in a double foldable (a Pouch >I assume) for the 20th swim circumnavigation of the island. Each swim has a >kayaker(s) and a motorboat. Record time is in the 6 hr range for the 28 >miles. Is that right? I've often heard that a circumnavigation of Manhattan by kayak takes closer to 10 hours. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In 1967 I was in the winning war canoe in the race around Manhattan and my old brain remembers our time as being about 7.5 hours. Scary to think someone could swim faster. But we were so far in the lead that we loafed around the tourist attractions. Jim Tibensky _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: John Fereira [SMTP:jaf30_at_cornell.edu] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:58 PM To: ralph diaz; FoldingBoats_at_aol.com; PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] What Should One Know About Paddling A Double? [>>>:] <snip > > >The other Ralph is doing swim support tomorrow in a double foldable (a Pouch >I assume) for the 20th swim circumnavigation of the island. Each swim has a >kayaker(s) and a motorboat. Record time is in the 6 hr range for the 28 >miles. Is that right? I've often heard that a circumnavigation of Manhattan by kayak takes closer to 10 hours. [>>>:] It probably does - at least. I did the Chesapeake Bay Bridge swim support a couple of weeks ago. Sure, the fastest swimmers did the 4.4 miles in around 1 hr 20 minutes. But guess what, they're not the ones who need swim support! It's the slowest ones who do. "My" swimmer was pulled out after something like 3 hours (maybe more?) before he got to the 4-mile marker. I couldn't decide whether I'd have rather been in there swimming with him or sitting in a narrow low-decked kayak watching. Hmm, I guess that is an advantage of a pouch boat - more room to stretch - and if you hand paddle you might not be faster than a slow swimmer! Joy Hecht Arlington VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 6/22/01 6:42:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jhecht_at_erols.com writes: > ... Hmm, I guess that is an advantage of a pouch boat - more room to stretch > - ... That's the pitch with which Tom found himself conned into this gig ... ;-)) Best regards, Ralph Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Who's Tom? Did he start this thread? And how is it that there seem to be two folding kayak gurus out there and you have the same name?????? Or maybe there are more whom I've missed? Also named Ralph, of course! Well, maybe there's a Rafaela or two, for gender equity... Joy -----Original Message----- From: FoldingBoats_at_aol.com [SMTP:FoldingBoats_at_aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:23 PM To: Paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] What Should One Know About Paddling A Double? In a message dated 6/22/01 6:42:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jhecht_at_erols.com writes: > ... Hmm, I guess that is an advantage of a pouch boat - more room to stretch > - ... That's the pitch with which Tom found himself conned into this gig ... ;-)) Best regards, Ralph Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 01-06-21 15:03:24 EDT, tombrooklyn_at_yahoo.com writes: << What are some of the things I might need to know or should think about that differ from paddling solo? >> get a rudder....the only time I tried paddling double (a Wilderness Systems Pamlico with 7 foot cockpit) we kept going round in circles. sandy kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
tombrooklyn_at_yahoo.com writes: What are some of the things I might need to know or should think about that > from paddling solo? Gypsykayak_at_aol.com writes: > > Pamlico with 7 foot cockpit) we kept going round in circles. Ralph Hoehn writes: I paddle a 19 foot Russian folding triple, packed full with the rugrats and she-who-must-be-obeyed (thank you, Mr. Rumpole), without rudder and a Greenland type paddle. The actual necessity for a rudder depends on the hull shape, how full you pack (ballast) the boat and how you trim it. But Sandy is right, of course, a rudder helps enourmously (unless Tom is pushing against his set of pedals while I'm trying to steer with mine :-))))). Best regards, Ralph Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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