thanks to you who have responded so quickly, now here's a little twist. It's beginning to look like the best way to go is to get a good digital camera that has its own hardshell (uh-oh, are we going to go there...?) plastic water proof case. Has anyone out there used these cases very extensively? Here on Texas Gulf coast, it can get mighty hot during the summer, and a camera in a clear plastic case just might cook in direct sunlight. Alternatives for that of course are that I could stuff it under my pfd or maybe under bungie cords on the deck with an opaque cover if it's not too windy and wavey (technical terminology). How big does this camera plus case get to be? I'm not a really big person and I don't want something the size of even my small pelican case stuffed inside my pfd... Gee, maybe I should go the other direction and get a really BIG camera case to use it for a paddle float. Natalie Wiest Galveston TX *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Now that's a great marketing idea!!! A camera case/paddlefloat. I think you may get rich with this one Natalie--or at least you'll be able to buy another camera if the first one dies. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Natalie Wiest To: Paddlewise Sent: December 10, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] Waterproof digital cameras Gee, maybe I should go the other direction and get a really BIG camera case to use it for a paddle float. Natalie Wiest Galveston TX *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Natalie Wiest" <wiestn_at_tamug.tamu.edu> > thanks to you who have responded so quickly, We just sit here waiting... > plastic water proof case. Has anyone out there used these cases very > extensively? Here on Texas Gulf coast, it can get mighty hot during the > summer, and a camera in a clear plastic case just might cook in direct > sunlight. Alternatives for that of course are that I could stuff it under > my pfd or maybe under bungie cords on the deck with an opaque cover if it's > not too windy and wavey (technical terminology). This is probably an issue. I'd be inclined to keep the case covered and not in the sun. You could make a little padded camera carry based on Bob Denton's modified water-bottle-carrier-turned-deck-bag (one option I would seriously consider!) > How big does this camera plus case get to be? Check this page for the Sony I mentioned: http://www.steves-digicams.com/2001_reviews/p5.html (WP case near bottom of page) and this for the Canon that someone else recommended: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canondigitalixus300/page4.asp (ditto) I've seen other cases for other cameras that can get bulky (especially SLRs), but for most point-and-shoot sized digitals, they tend to be comparable to the two here (that is, case size relative to camera size). The Canon (a teensy camera!) in the case is probably not much bigger than the Pentax 105WR! Either would likely fit under your PFD. Mike PS - I'm not recommending any camera, since I haven't used them. The ones I've mentioned are well reviewed, however. A friend has the Canon and loves it. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You could just have a light nylon stuff-sack that you keep the camera out of the direct sun. My S300 waterproof case is still quite small - about the size of a typical SLR camera body. At 5:22 PM -0600 12/10/01, Natalie Wiest wrote: >thanks to you who have responded so quickly, now here's a little twist. >It's beginning to look like the best way to go is to get a good digital >camera that has its own hardshell (uh-oh, are we going to go there...?) >plastic water proof case. Has anyone out there used these cases very >extensively? Here on Texas Gulf coast, it can get mighty hot during the >summer, and a camera in a clear plastic case just might cook in direct >sunlight. Alternatives for that of course are that I could stuff it under >my pfd or maybe under bungie cords on the deck with an opaque cover if it's >not too windy and wavey (technical terminology). How big does this camera >plus case get to be? I'm not a really big person and I don't want something >the size of even my small pelican case stuffed inside my pfd... Gee, maybe >I should go the other direction and get a really BIG camera case to use it >for a paddle float. > >Natalie Wiest >Galveston TX > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed >here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire >responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. >Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net >Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** -- Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 824 Thompson St Glastonbury, CT 06033 (860) 659-8847 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just a note on other things to consider with a digital camera. If you want a camera for nothing more than a weekend kayak trip, just about any one will do. If, on the other hand, you want to have a camera that will provide for a two or three week trip away from civilization, there are a few things to consider: Memory: There are several types of memory and these are basically your "film". Most cameras use memory cards. Some cards, like the Sony Memory Stick, are proprietary and are available from one company only. Sony's product tends to lag the others in capacity and is slightly higher in price. This adds up when you consider how many memory cards you need to last a couple of weeks. Smart media and Compact flash cards are more common and a tad cheaper. There are disk based storage solutions as well. They can be cheaper than memory cards. CD-R cameras are available. But my concern with CD-R is that the overall market is driven by computers and entertainment and not by cameras. Since recordable DVD is breaking out and will likely take over, CD-R may not have a future. IBM's Microdrive is cool and is cheaper than memory cards if you want high capacity (up to 1GB of storage). Not all cameras can use this, however. The downside is that it contains moving parts and is more fragile than a memory card - something to consider if you're kayaking. You can save memory on a long trip by editing your photos every night. However, you need a good sized display to winnow out the bad stuff and the 2 inch display on the back of the camera isn't good enough (bring a high-end, color PDA? laptop? yeesh!) This technique will also consume more battery power. Power: There are two classes of batteries: proprietary and generic. Proprietary batteries are more expensive and only available from a single company. Generics include both standard battery packs (oddball container, but shared by several companies) and the good old AA. The best, IMNSHO, is a camera that uses AA batteries. You can get high energy alkaline, NiCd, NiMH, Lithium ($$$) and in the near future (I hope), rechargable Li ion. For a long trip, just run down to the local big-box shopping club and buy a chest full of AAs and you're off. Since these fit your VHF, flashlight etc, you can trade them from one to the other as need arises. You can get a recharger that is solar powered to help with the power, but you won't want it on deck (corrosion of the recharger and batteries), so it'll only be useful on land. It's an option, but not extremely reliable (unless you rest on sunny days at noon and paddle evenings and in the rain). One of the main reasons I haven't bought a digital camera is that I haven't found one with the features I want and that uses regular AA and memory cards. Sony, Nikon and many others all use proprietary stuff. HP, Kodak and others do use generic batteries and memory, but tend to lack the other features. Sigh... In time... Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:11 AM -0500 12/11/01, Michael Daly wrote: >Just a note on other things to consider with a digital camera. > >If you want a camera for nothing more than a weekend kayak trip, just >about any one will do. If, on the other hand, you want to have a camera >that will provide for a two or three week trip away from civilization, there >are a few things to consider: > >Memory: >Snip >Power: >Snip These are definitely issues. I was waiting to get over the waterproof with zoom hurtle which is solved with the case. The memory and power issues were less of a concern. When it comes right down to it, most of my trips are day trips, I've got my old film camera for longer expeditions. My Canon S300 uses Compact Flash cards for the memory. One 8M card holds about 20 1600x1200 fine compression pictures. This is not enough for a long trip, but higher capacity cards are available. Although the CF card may become out dated, it will always work with the camera. Long term storage can by CD or DVD if you have a burner. The S300 uses a proprietary battery which because it is so small does not last that long. AA would be more convenient but the camera would be bigger. Future versions may shrink everything enough that AA batteries could be used and still have a small camera. I purchased an extra battery so I could swap out as necessary. Nick -- Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 824 Thompson St Glastonbury, CT 06033 (860) 659-8847 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On the issue of battery life: I use a Canon G1, ( the current model is G2) with a lithium-ion battery. I have a backup battery but have never needed it. I regularly shoot 256 MB of stuff with no sign of loosing power. By the way, the G1 is quite small and fits in a tiny drybox. jimH -- James Hagan "http://cosmicoven.com" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Well that has not been the experience with my Nikon coolpix or any of the Canons I looked at. They take a standard compact flash memory card and standard AA batteries. I use the rechargeable nimh AA batteries, in fact my camera came with energizer batteries. Here is a great article about compact flash memory. http://www.steves-digicams.com/high-capacity_storage.html Olympus uses smart media cards which are a little more expensive (I own an Olympus digital as well). They are making Compact flash in all sorts of memory range. I have a 128 card in my camera and with 2 megapixels I get about 160 pictures. Plenty for me! visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com One of the main reasons I haven't bought a digital camera is that I haven't found one with the features I want and that uses regular AA and memory cards. Sony, Nikon and many others all use proprietary stuff. HP, Kodak and others do use generic batteries and memory, but tend to lack the other features. Sigh... In time... *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Mary Zuschlag" <mzuschlag_at_attbi.com> > Well that has not been the experience with my Nikon coolpix Ooops. I should have been specific and said "the Nikons I've been looking at". For some reason, there are several different batteries used across the Nikon line. The ones that have the features I want use the EN-EL1 battery. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have the Sony Cybershot P-1. And just got back from a trip to the Virgin Islands Kayaking. I Bought the underwater housing. Positives: Camera is small Fits in my shirt pocket UW case is simple to use and allows near full function. Great pictures With 64 mb memory chip can get 70+ shot at 1600x1200 plus a mini movie or two Negatives: Camera HATES SAND (soon to send in for cleaning) Water spot on UW case lens must be watched or great pics look like Witness prection shots Paralax while snorkling is hard to compensate for Quirk of loading into uw case is the camera is set to the movie function so you have to watch that you then switch to still before taking shots all in all I like the camera. Does anyone know if a product like RainX would lessen the water spot problem? Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:54:48 -0700, Mark Colvin wrote: >all in all I like the camera. Does anyone know if a product like RainX >would lessen the water spot problem? Just a guess, but the lens coatings might fail... --allan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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