In a message dated 01/24/2002 2:34:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, jolie_at_rockisland.com writes: << So what do the Nazi's think I should buy next? >> I think we should stop using that name....How about "safety police" ?? sandy kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 04:27 PM 1/24/02 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 01/24/2002 2:34:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jolie_at_rockisland.com writes: > ><< So what do the Nazi's think I should buy next? >> > >I think we should stop using that name....How about "safety police" ?? I agree. Everyone from here on gets to reword and resubmit their posts if they chose language that violates Godwin's Law (http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Godwins_law) kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
We've been over this ground (water?) before. However, it's good to rehash it. My two cents, as one of the graybeards. 1. Safety gear is good. Knowledge and skill in how to use it is better. 2. Deep Trouble (and other anecdotal supportive info) is very good. Translating the written word into "... what I do (don't do) next ..." is better. 3. Good skills are important (but see below). 4. Judgment is the best. Knowing when it is "safe" to paddle (conditions are within one's own skill envelope, and are likely to stay that way **for a while**) takes time and effort to learn. (Kevin W. maintains judgment can be taught; I aver, because of some 30 years of teaching lab safety in chemistry courses, and because I am an old curmudgeon. I think our own bad experiences, if we survive them, are the best teachers. But, I do not wish to argue with Kevin on this one -- he may be at least partly right.) 5. Despite our best efforts to "reduce our risk," all of us (research shows) have a level of **perceived** risk with which we are comfortable. The net effect of adding another piece of safety gear or paddling skill to our quiver is that ... we then feel comfortable tackling paddling that is a little riskier in some objective sense than what we did before. [John Winters has some good URLs for this research -- read it -- it is well done, and very convincing.] My bottom line: stay within your comfort zone, and work hard to assess whether your assessment is realistic ... meaning: practice those skills and rescue methods/maneuvers in the conditions where you might **need** them and work on developing good judgement (Kevin has some good, practical tactics for how to do this). -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR strictly an armchair paddler, now, unfortunately *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi all, > I think we should stop using that name....How about "safety police" ?? Agree, don´t like these "Nazi". Very misleading expression, especially in Europe. Another suggestion, Capt. Safety. I´ve found on Pains Wessex´s wwebside this new "Capt. Safety", grey and old but our friend. Have a look at www.pwss.com and click "safety at sea". Captn. Safety will appear and shows you the whole equipment, you might launch in case all the paddle-technique will have failed. Impressive Video-scene´s especially on the lifesmoke Mk5. All these stuff I´m gonna to order in march again. Few for me, and lots for the others. paddle safe and long Jochen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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