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From: Jolie Smilowicz <jolie_at_rockisland.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Fw: Deep Trouble
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:14:42 -0800
Subject: [Paddlewise] Deep Trouble


> Marinell says "OK, OK, I just bought it from amazon.com."

First book I ever read on sea kayaking.  Recommended by my instructors (BCU)
I have read it over...and over...Thanks, Matt Broze and Chris C.  Wish you
would do it again!

Jolie

>

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From: Wayne Smith <wsmith16_at_snet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fw: Deep Trouble
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:14:51 -0500
> First book I ever read on sea kayaking.  Recommended by my instructors
(BCU)
> Jolie

Personally, I think a copy of that book should come with every new kayak
sold. Might prevent a few needless tragedies.

Wayne
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From: Jed <jluby_at_teamnorthatlantic.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Fw: Deep Trouble
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:23:04 -0500
No doubt the retailers would be lining up to use this sales tactic. I agree
that Deep Trouble is a very instructive book for those that want to learn.
But I don't think we'll see it included with new boat sales anytime soon.
What say you, Steve?

Jed

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From: Wayne Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fw: Deep Trouble


> First book I ever read on sea kayaking.  Recommended by my instructors
(BCU)
> Jolie

Personally, I think a copy of that book should come with every new kayak
sold. Might prevent a few needless tragedies.

Wayne

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From: Paul Murtaugh <murtaugh_at_stat.orst.edu>
subject: [Paddlewise] photography platform?
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:49:12 -0800 (PST)
A friend asked me to recommend a kayak, or type
of kayak, that would be suitable for on-water
photography.  I didn't know what to say, other
than "wide and stable".  Does anyone have 
specific recommendations?  I'm guessing he'll
be in pretty flat water, since his equipment
is expensive!

If you reply to me "back channel", I'll
summarize for the list.  Thanks.

-Paul
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From: David Anderson <squtch_at_quiet-like-a-panther.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] photography platform?
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:41:47 GMT
Find a boat that he likes and that fits him well. Stable doesn't matter that 
much, because he should then set up a way to attach short pieces of PVC pipe 
filled with lead shot under or just behind his seat as low as it can go. Due 
to the lead shot he should make sure he has plenty of flotation and backup 
flotation. 

It would help to have a dry riding boat with a high volume bow. 

And just to help get the flame war going, it should have a rudder. I prefer 
not to use a rudder, but when taking pictures it is really helpful to be 
able to keep your boat pointed in the right direction. Few of the arguments 
against a rudder apply in the situations most photographers would be working 
in. 

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From: Al Vazquez <alvazquez_at_kayakguide.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] photography platform?
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:24:00 -0500
I've enjoyed taking thousands of photos from a variety of boats. And here are a
few things I've learned that any new kayaking photographer should know:

1. As soon as you set your paddle down and pick up your camera, the wind or
waves will quickly turn your boat away from your subject.
2. Subjects that move will move towards your stern quickly just enough so you
can't take your shot without moving the boat again.
3. After you move your boat to bring the subject back in view, they will move
again as in (2.) above.
4. Subjects will fly, swim, or run away about  3 microseconds before you
squeeze the shutter release.
;-)

So the ideal boat would allow the photographer to move the boat silently with
camera in hand free to take shots at the same time. There is such a boat; the
Hobie Mirage. The Mirage is a stable kayak propelled either by conventional
paddle or by foot pedals that drive a couple of silent, efficient, flexible
drive fins under the keel. It comes with a rudder. For shallow water, the fins
can be held in the up position and the boat can be paddled like any other.

I don't own one yet (and I don't sell them either), but if I were looking for a
boat exceptionally suited for photography, I'd buy the Mirage.
--

Al Vazquez
KayakGuide.com tm
the Place to Share Kayaking & Canoeing tm


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From: <Niilus_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] photography platform?
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:02:57 EST
In a message dated 1/25/2002 10:25:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
alvazquez_at_kayakguide.com writes:


> So the ideal boat would allow the photographer to move the boat silently with
> camera in hand free to take shots at the same time. There is such a boat; 
> the
> Hobie Mirage. The Mirage is a stable kayak propelled either by conventional
> paddle or by foot pedals that drive a couple of silent, efficient, flexible
> drive fins under the keel. It comes with a rudder. For shallow water, the 
> fins
> 

When taking photos, I sometimes "skull" with the rudder by working the rudder 
pedals back and forth quickly, I can also turn the kayak by skulling more to 
one side or the other.

Tony Niilus

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From: Ari Saarto <ari0236_at_Saunalahti.fi>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] photography platform?
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:38:53 +0200
I would recommend a double with a good partner to more unstable/serious situations. From
the front seat one gets good view and the partner can take care of the direction & watch
for the approaching waves. You can have hands free also for a longer period.

I will also have to agree with David about the rudder part, though I am using both my
single
(Nordkapp) and the double to photography.

Cheers,

Ari - Finland

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David wrote:

>And just to help get the flame war going, it should have a rudder. I prefer 
>not to use a rudder, but when taking pictures it is really helpful to be 
>able to keep your boat pointed in the right direction. Few of the arguments 
>against a rudder apply in the situations most photographers would be working 
>in. 
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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fw: Deep Trouble
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:46:47 -0500
From: "Wayne Smith" <wsmith16_at_snet.net>

> > First book I ever read on sea kayaking.  Recommended by my instructors
> (BCU)
> > Jolie
> 
> Personally, I think a copy of that book should come with every new kayak
> sold. Might prevent a few needless tragedies.

Good idea.  It could replace that silly little warning sticker inside
almost every kayak.

The problem is getting people to read it.  

Mike



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From: Kevin Whilden <kevin_at_yourplanetearth.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fw: Deep Trouble
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:39:00 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolie Smilowicz" <jolie_at_rockisland.com>
> First book I ever read on sea kayaking.  Recommended by my instructors
(BCU)
> I have read it over...and over...Thanks, Matt Broze and Chris C.  Wish you
> would do it again!
>

Not to be overly picky,  but George Gronseth was also an author of Deep
Trouble.  He is a good friend of mine, so I don't mind sticking up for him.

Kevin

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From: <JSpinner2_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fw: Deep Trouble
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:21:38 EST
In a message dated 1/24/02 11:21:37 PM !!!First Boot!!!, wsmith16_at_snet.net 
writes:

<< Personally, I think a copy of that book should come with every new kayak
 sold. Might prevent a few needless tragedies. >>

I agree but good luck. Many moons ago, when I worked at a book store, only 
25% of the American population read anything, including newspapers, 
magazines, professional publications, etc., and only 18% read even ONE (1) 
book a year! This was a bit before all the c www stuff, which people mostly 
have to read. No wonder it is so hard to keep a book store going.

Joan
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