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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Storm loop ropes, stakes and fuel canisters
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:39:45 -0500
My new tent and stove arrived yesterday, so naturally,  I set the tent up on the living room floor last night.  My wife wasn't all that thrilled with me, but I was a hero with the kids for at least an hour  :-)

I need to go buy some rope today or tomorrow for the storm loops.  Is there a standard or guidline for the rope material (nylon, poly, parachute cord, etc), diameter, configuration (braided or twisted), or does any of that really matter?

Also, it was suggested by another new ower of the same tent (and I agree now that mine has arrived) that I should buy some better stakes.  Short of mail order again, all I have access to is the yellow plastic stakes that are common at K-Mart, Walmart, etc.  Will they do, or is there something else I should look at?

On the stove, the instructions say to only use a Primus fuel canister. I'm assuming that that is just a marketing statement and all canisters are made to the same specifications and are interchangable.... correct?

Rick - happy new tent & stove owner  :-)

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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storm loop ropes, stakes and fuel canisters
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:08:14 -0500
From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>

> My new tent and stove arrived yesterday, so naturally,  I set 
> the tent up on the living room floor last night.  My wife wasn't 
> all that thrilled with me, but I was a hero with the kids for at 
> least an hour  :-)

What could possibly be wrong with setting up a tent in the living 
room?  

> I need to go buy some rope today or tomorrow for the storm loops.  
> Is there a standard or guidline for the rope material (nylon, poly, 
> parachute cord, etc), diameter, configuration (braided or twisted), 
> or does any of that really matter?

My preference in this case would be light, braided polyester from
a sail/marine shop. Most would probably say that it doesn't matter.
Just stay away from the stiff, twisted, yellow polypro line.

> I should buy some better stakes.  

My favorite are the roughly 1/4 inch diameter aluminum pegs. 
(They're standard with The North Face tents, if you need an 
example)  They are stiffer than the twisted steel or aluminum type, 
stronger than the yellow plastic ones and cheaper than the fancy 
hi-tech stuff.  Only drawback - if you're in soft sand a lot, get 
a wide peg - even the yellow ones will do.

Mike 


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From: Wayne Smith <wsmith_at_cts.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storm loop ropes, stakes and fuel canisters
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:24:20 -0800
Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com wrote:

> // Also, it was suggested by another new ower of the same tent (and I agree now that mine has arrived) that I should buy some better stakes.  Short of mail order again, all I have access to is the yellow plastic stakes that are common at K-Mart, Walmart, etc.  Will they do, or is there something else I should look
> at? //

Go to Home Depot - Buy Spikes - I use 3/8" X 9" - Sure they are heavy - BFD - But, Indestructible.

Most useless gadget.  I was camping once and I saw a guy with a 4 oz plastic sledge hammer that he used to pound his light weigh 6" aluminum tent pegs.  What a Joke.  With the spikes, I use any convent, the bigger the better, rock.

Wayne

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From: David Anderson <squtch_at_quiet-like-a-panther.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storm loop ropes, stakes and fuel canisters
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:40:34 GMT
Wayne Smith writes:
> Most useless gadget.  I was camping once and I saw a guy with a 4 oz plastic sledge hammer that he used to pound his light weigh 6" aluminum tent pegs.  What a Joke.  With the spikes, I use any convent, the bigger the better, rock. 
> 
> Wayne

Funny how the most useless gadget you ever "saw" is one of my favorite 
gadgets to "use". Far fewer bashed fingers than when I was a rock user, and 
a lot more control. Go ahead, make fun of me, but I'll never go back to 
using the rocks. 

Dave 

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From: Jochen Grikschat <grikschat_at_surfeu.de>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storm loop ropes, stakes and fuel canisters
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:04:37 +0100
> >,  I set
> > the tent up on the living room floor last night.  My wife wasn't
> > all that thrilled with me, but I was a hero with the kids for at
> > least an hour  :-)
>
> What could possibly be wrong with setting up a tent in the living
> room?

Nothing!

I remember a story, where G. and his wife didn´t got time or money or both
for normal summer holidays, but to have this special outdoor feeling and to
satisfy their young daughter (many years ago), they put up their big tent in
the living room and they all lived for one week or longer in their living
room, sleeping in the tent, cooking on the little stove and do all the
typical outdoor things (almost all). When her daughter´s friends came they
looked very very surprised, with the tent in the living room and her parents
sitting before...

:-))


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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storm loop ropes, stakes and fuel canisters
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:26:09 -0500
From: "David Anderson" <squtch_at_quiet-like-a-panther.org>

> Wayne Smith writes:
> > Most useless gadget.  I was camping once and I saw a guy with a 4 oz 
> > plastic sledge hammer that he used to pound his light weigh 6" aluminum 
> > tent pegs.  What a Joke.  With the spikes, I use any convent, the bigger 
> > the better, rock. 
> 
> Funny how the most useless gadget you ever "saw" is one of my favorite 
> gadgets to "use". Far fewer bashed fingers than when I was a rock user, and 
> a lot more control. Go ahead, make fun of me, but I'll never go back to 
> using the rocks. 

How inelegant.  I don't use brute force to drive a peg.  I put my foot 
on it, wiggle it and let it slide into the soil.  (Most of the time I 
have to crouch and wiggle it with my hand).  This is a trick I learned 
from studying foundations engineering - vibrating piles will go in with 
less resistance than piles driven with a pile driver in many granular
soils.  

Mike

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