I am sure you northern boys and girls can help out this southern boy on this one. I have paddled in some cold weather in the past but I guess today must have been the coldest including the wind factor. I say that due to the fact that I did not have enough protection for my hands. The conditions were air temp 34 degrees F, water temp 48 degrees F, wind speed 25-28 knots gusting to 32-35 knots. This was in Lake Ponchartrain in the New Orleans area. Average water depth is eight feet, so the wind driven waves (24 mile fetch) can be interesting. Today the wind driven waves were up to five feet. Ok, to my point I did have my Gore-Tex drysuit on with layers underneath and two scull caps, no problem with the cold weather affecting the main part of my body. My problem was my hands partially the fingertips. I was wearing 2mm neoprene gloves, not enough protection. I do own pogies but did not bring them (silly me). I typically do not wear gloves due to the lack of control /feel of the paddle shaft. I have a hard time thinking that the pogies alone would have provided enough protection with the wind chill factor possibly being in the 20's. So my question is what do you cold weather paddlers use to protect your hands in conditions I mentioned above? Obviously I needed more protection. Thanks in advance for any advise, Southern boy looking forward to the 90 degree temp coming soon, dat I can handle. Arthur Hebert New Orleans, Louisiana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Hebert >>>My problem was my hands partially the fingertips. I was wearing 2mm neoprene gloves, not enough protection. I do own pogies but did not bring them (silly me). I typically do not wear gloves due to the lack of control /feel of the paddle shaft. I have a hard time thinking that the pogies alone would have provided enough protection with the wind chill factor possibly being in the 20's. So my question is what do you cold weather paddlers use to protect your hands in conditions I mentioned above? Obviously I needed more protection. I stay constantly amazed in the winter to discover that Pogies alone are more than adequate for keeping my hands warm... When I do wear gloves alone I find that the looser they are the warmer my hands will be. I suspect that any restriction of circulation is not a good thing. My hands also go cold immediately after lunch, but after a short while are warmer than in the morning... Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Arthur Hebert" <seacajun_at_gs.net> > I have a hard time thinking that the pogies alone > would have provided enough protection with the wind chill factor possibly > being in the 20's. Are these pogies nylon or neoprene? I find the neoprene (5mm) often too hot. They certainly insulate and protect from the wind. I've never used nylon, but they should be a good wind barrier; they'd need a liner glove or mit to be warm though. Fuzzy rubber pogies might be an intermediate alternative - do such exist? I think you'd have to experiment a bit. Not everyone has the same circulation in their hands. What's too warm to me might be cold for you! Also, you'd have to consider that with pogies, your hands won't be protected from water temps if you swim. A light glove in a nylon pogie might be a good compromise. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have worn neoprene pogies over bare hands down to about 15 F with no real problems, even though I usually have problems with cold. I use a wooden paddle shaft which doesn't conduct away the heat as much as some shafts. I always take neoprene gloves with me in the kayak in case I have to go into the water, since the pogies would be attached to the paddle and would be pretty useless if I were in the water even if I took them off the paddle. The rest of me is protected by a drysuit with fleece underneath. Once at about 0-5 F I tried the gloves under the pogies, but found it too bulky. It would have been better if my gloves were the kind with the pre-curved fingers. John Arthur Hebert wrote: > > I am sure you northern boys and girls can help out this southern boy on this > one. I have paddled in some cold weather in the past but I guess today must > have been the coldest including the wind factor. I say that due to the fact > that I did not have enough protection for my hands. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Hebert" <seacajun_at_gs.net> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] cold hands > I am sure you northern boys and girls can help out this southern boy on this > one. > My problem was my hands partially the fingertips. I was wearing 2mm > neoprene gloves, not enough protection. I have a hard time thinking that the pogies alone > would have provided enough protection with the wind chill factor possibly > being in the 20's. So my question is what do you cold weather paddlers use to > protect your hands in conditions I mentioned above? > Arthur Hebert New Orleans, Louisiana I can't address the question of what the regular cold water folk do, god bless them, but...... I do know that short white water style neoprene pogies provide me with sufficient wind protection when the Mississippi River temp is in the lower 30's and a howling wind issues forth from the northern parts to terrorize us Southern gentlemen. The shortness of the device makes re-access easy when my hands've slipped out for fine finger work apart from the paddle and then, again, wish the respite of the gauntlet. Larry Koenig Baton Rouge,LA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It is my experience that individuals vary *significantly* with respect to how warm their hands stay during cold weather paddling, so what works for one may not necessarily be the best solution for another. I agree with Joe that pogies are surprisingly warm for being of such light construction, but pogies also are made in many different flavors - plain coated nylon, nylon with mylar lining, fuzzy polyester lining in a nylon shell, neoprene, and combinations thereof. Having said that, my all-time favorite cold weather paddling hand gear always included thin coated cloves that I'd wear all of the time to provide a good grip on the paddle, and pogies that would be put over the gloves when the hands got too cold. The coated gloves that were my favorites are not longer commercially available, but were of thin construction - fabric impregnated with some sort of material that provided a good grip on the paddle shaft. Since these gloves became unavailable, I've tried a number of other paddling gloves, but all are lacking the tactile sensitivity that I was used to.... I now use either a fuzzy polyester-lined nylon pogie or a mylar-lined nylon pogie depending on how I feel any particular day. The polyester-lined pogie absorbs more water than does the mylar-lined pogie, but is also warmer if the hands stay out of the water. (my hands are generally tolerant of cold water - the exception being whitewater sidesurfing sans paddle in the winter) The choice of hand wear also depends on the length of the outing and whether one is dawdling or paddleing actively for the duration. It's not that much extra weight to carry a number of different options in the boat. Play Hard, Erik Sprenne Arthur Hebert wrote: >>>> I was wearing 2mm neoprene gloves, not enough protection. I do own pogies but did not bring them (silly me). I typically do not wear gloves due to the lack of control/feel of the paddle shaft. I have a hard time thinking that the pogies alone would have provided enough protection with the wind chill factor possibly being in the 20's. So my question is what do you cold weather paddlers use to protect your hands in conditions I mentioned above? <<<< Joe Pylka replied >>> I stay constantly amazed in the winter to discover that Pogies alone are more than adequate for keeping my hands warm... When I do wear gloves alone I find that the looser they are the warmer my hands will be. I suspect that any restriction of circulation is not a good thing. My hands also go cold immediately after lunch, but after a short while are warmer than in the morning...<<< *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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