Who was the founder of both the American Canoe Association AND League of American Bicyclists AND is my favorite historical figure? See his boat at: http://marinell.server101.com/Kayak-HIstory/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:59 AM 3/14/02 -0500, marinell3_at_comcast.net wrote: >Who was the founder of both the American Canoe Association AND League of >American Bicyclists AND is my favorite historical figure? > >See his boat at: >http://marinell.server101.com/Kayak-HIstory/ Very cool. I had no idea that the founder of the ACA's boat was built in Ithaca. Coincidentally, the Marathon Canoe factory (formerly Grumman Canoe) is about 25 miles from here. I would imagine that quite a few ACA members got started paddling a Grumman. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Another hint and a question: There is a photo of the first commodore of the ACA at: http://marinell.server101.com/Kayak-HIstory/Commodore.htm Has anyone seen plans for a canoe/kayak like the Psyche (link below)? Who would be able to build such a boat? How much would it cost? Would a lap-strake sailing canoe be much heavier and slower than a 14' modern wooden kayak? Dream on, Marinell. I'm going kayaking this weekend just north of Lake Okeechobee near where this Commodore got lost and abandoned his boat. That's what started this thread today, although my friends have heard it for years. Marinell > >Who was the founder of both the American Canoe Association AND League of > >American Bicyclists AND is my favorite historical figure? > > > >See his boat at: > >http://marinell.server101.com/Kayak-HIstory/ > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I think I should be using the words "founder of ACA" not "Commodore". With Joe Pylka's help, we'll get this straightened out yet. Marinell *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hmmm... There's 23 choices... The American Canoe Association was organized at Crosbyside Park, Lake George, NY August 3rd, 1880. Of them, the person who initially suggested its formation was Nathaniel H. Bishop, who became and remained Secretary for many years... Bishop was famous for a number of expeditions and books based on them. His best known was probably "Voyage of the Paper Canoe" which took place in the 1870s... You can find it, and biograpical info, at http://www.eldritchpress.org/nhb/BISHOP.HTM Though built in the 1870s, and of paper, it seems to have lasted a long time. I found a picture of it, in use, in 1921! Why do I know all this? One of the clubs I belong to, Mohawk Canoe Club, will have its Centennial next year and I'm supposed to be writing up some of the early history of the club. --And Bishop was a Cranberry Grower in NJ! (He wasn't a member -- he died in 1902). Joe P. (PS, I haven't found anything about him regarding cycling, so perhaps Marinell has someone else in mind....) ----- Original Message ----- From: marinell3_at_comcast.net To: PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [Paddlewise] Another Trivia Question Who was the founder of both the American Canoe Association AND League of American Bicyclists AND is my favorite historical figure? See his boat at: http://marinell.server101.com/Kayak-HIstory/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
on line book http://www.rtpnet.org/robroy/paperc/intro.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks, I will read the book. . I don't think that Nathaniel H. Bishop was first commodore of ACA. And neither was my man. HMMMM....Cedar Key...here's DAD: http://marinell.server101.com/Yulee/Yulee-Thompson.htm Grandmother was born in Cedar Key in 1880 and I think my great-grandfather was there by 1875. If he saw that paper canoe, he would have scratched his head. Marinell ----- Original Message ----- From: <dldecker_at_attbi.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] Voyage of the Paper Canoe > on line book > http://www.rtpnet.org/robroy/paperc/intro.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In the greater New York metropolitan region, Great Kills Harbor on Staten Island is probably the best pleasure boat facility East of Oyster Bay. Situated on the East Side of the Island, offering immediate access to Raritan Bay which teams with life. The harbor its self is totally protected and is (in the main) controlled as part of a public park by the Gateway Recreation Area people. An air conditioned express bus which stops at the parks entrance runs from Manhattan seven days a week. The harbor is totally protected, their is a public marina, several yacht clubs and moorings for larger boats. A swimming beach is a short distance from a public boat ramp. Outside of the harbor it's self, sand/mud flats extend for a considerable distance. With the prevailing onshore breeze it's ideal for wind surfing The west side of the harbor is devoted to privately owned marine and related business's including several excellent resturants. Sandy Hook is 12 miles away. since Raritan Bay is protected from Atlantic swells it's a long but not particularly difficult paddle. The Eastern shore of Staten Island hosts many parks, beaches and other public amenities. Easy landing. no surf. Unfortunately at the moment there is (at the best) only token acknowledgment by the Gateway management towards catering to the interests of paddlers and owners of small Sunfish like sailboats. I suspect that the Gateway people would consider installing the simple facilities needed to host and store such small boats which could be launched from the very nice public launch ramp, if sufficient interest is shown by potential users. What follows is a copy of what I sent to the Gateway rep today. If you are interested participating in what I am proposing you might add your thoughts. here is a link to the Gateway administration. carole_silano_at_nps.gov ______________________________________________________________ Would it be possible to store a small (12 foot) board type sailboat (Sunfish...etc) on a dolly in the Parking Area near the boat ramp during the boating season? I live in a Staten Island condo that does not allow boat trailers on the property. The ramp is there already. A small grassy area would be fine for storage. Cost to Gateway would be little or nothing! Easily defrayed by a small annual fee. The nearest public facility which offers such a program is the Spruce Run Reservoir in Jersey . They have a public boat launch/storage installation (60 miles away) It seems to me that the existence of such an option on Staten Island would serve to provide access to the water for those whose financial means forbid membership in a yacht club. I am not suggesting that you would be overrun but I bet that in a couple of years 10 to 20 boats would launch from there. Dinghy sailing is a totally no polluting activity and has ZERO impact on the environment. The same can not be said for the power boaters you presently cater to. Or god help us... what goes on at Nichols! I know there is an existing "small boat launch" west of the existin boat ramp in the woods. It's tough to get a 45lb Kayak down the trail (blocked with a log) and over the bulkhead... impossible with a Sunfish and no storage anyway. I realize that Nichols presents them selves as a full service marina. But, they offer no facilities (ramp, land storage or rack) for owners of small board type sailboats. Yes I know they have a metal pipe dinghy rack on one of their floats. At 68 years I cannot lift a 130 lb boat straight up out of the water and onto the shoulder high rack so it's not an option for me (or I suspect... most) Richard Smith 80G Dinsmore Street Staten Island, NY 10314 (212) 412-4737 (718) 983-1042 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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