Hello List: Has anyone devised a reasonable means of maintaining order inside a day hatch? I have seen one set-up using 2" Velcro strips inside the hatch, with the opposite part of the hook or fur glued to each item of gear. I'm thinking about a horizontal string on the walls of the compartment, and using light plastic snaplinks for sunglass cases, etc, a little like a gear sling used in rockclimbing. News of tried and tested arrangements would be welcome. There has to be something better than the lucky-dip-know-your-gear-by-feel system. PT, Melbourne, OZ. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John, It doesn't require a lot of flexibility. Just lean your paddle out onto the water on the side you are turning to, pry up the hatch, and dig around for what you need. Now that I have one, I wouldn't paddle without a day hatch. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Blackburn" <digipixs_at_erols.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: April 23, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Day Hatch Organizing Do you > rely on a second paddler to come stabilize you while you throw your center of > gravity so far off to the side that you'll capsize, while contorting your body > to see what you're doing? Or is there a trick? > > John Blackburn > "Old Guy" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Peter Treby wrote: > > Hello List: > Has anyone devised a reasonable means of maintaining order inside a day > hatch? I have seen one set-up using 2" Velcro strips inside the hatch, with > the opposite part of the hook or fur glued to each item of gear. I'm > thinking about a horizontal string on the walls of the compartment, and > using light plastic snaplinks for sunglass cases, etc I am interested in the etc. What else do you want to carry? I just have a water bottle, camera, power bar or two and a small emergency kit in a bag (first aid predominately). the water bottle and camera is secured with closed cell foam and still easily accessible. the other stuff doesn't really have the mass to really bother about. Tell us what you have, maybe we can figure it out. -- ø gabriel l romeu ø http://studiofurniture.com ø http://journalphoto.org ø http://kayakoutfitting.org *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dyer's law, originally formulated for overstuffed backpacks, but perfectly applicable to day hatches, states; "The entire contents of the rucksack are to found at the bottom of the rucksack." This by the bitter experience that you always damn near empty it before finding the thing you were looking for. Kevin. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Peter, Peter Treby said that he carries the following in his day hatch: First aid kit camera mobile phone knife tow line specs container sunglasses sun cream wool hat neoprene hat sun hat face mask torch duct tape two lengths of line glow sticks banana apple 600 ml Gatorade & 600 ml water Mars Bars I think that you just need a better way of organizing these things. I carry the knife on my PFD. I then carry a small "see through" dry bag that I call my signaling kit. It has a flare gun, four shotgun type flares, three hand flares, three glow sticks, a signaling mirror, and an extra whistle. There is another dry bag that is that contains duct tape, marine epoxy, several replacement screws, Leatherman tool & first aid kit. I keep this repair kit behind my seat. It doesn't usually have to be quite as accessible as the rest. I also wear a bladder type hydration pack over my PFD. It is much easier to drink without having to go into the hatch--plus mine holds 2 liters of water and I find I really do drink more when it is so accessible. Usually, I put a paddling jacket in the hatch first--it helps keep things from sliding around in there. Then the signaling dry bag, and finally I carry a couple of energy bars or ziplock bags of dried food on top. This seems to work for me. I don't carry a cell phone, but my VHF is in a dry bag which is in one of the front pockets on my PFD. IMHO, the tow line should be either rigged on your deck for deployment or as I do, use a waist system. Again, this is worn over the PFD at all times. My extra line is rigged as a removable bow line. I use a sliding knot on it so that it can be tightened on my deck, but it contains about 10 feet of "extra" line. If necessary, I could use all 20 feet of it. Hope this helps. Steve Holtzman *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve: Thanks for these ideas. I think I'll hunt for a couple of small clear dry bags. > IMHO, the tow line should be either rigged on your deck for deployment... Agreed the tow line should be quickly available, but I don't like deck stowage if avoidable. Towing from the waist can add to your discomfort if stomach cramping from seasickness, so I think I prefer a deck mounted tow set-up. PT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Peter Treby wrote, >Agreed the tow line should be quickly available, >but I don't like deck stowage if avoidable. G'Day Peter, Me too. I don't store anything exept a map case and sometimes a sail on the deck. There's some very nice pocket sized tow lines available from Horizon Line in Penrith (Australia), which meet all NSWSKC spec's and easily fit into a PFD pocket. Similar are probably available elsewhere also. However, they can't be used as a throw line. Can you use your waist mounted system as a throw line? All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hello PeterO: >Can you use your waist mounted system as a throw line? I think I've crossed wires (or tow lines) for you somewhere. I don't use a waist mounted tow system. I have a marine ply winder to roll the line on. This has been a good move. Little stuff bags for tow lines mean longer time retrieving and stowing the line. I keep it in the day hatch. It mounts to the deck, on either of the Nadgee. I'm thinking of putting a central tow point behind the cockpit. Is the use of a throw line necessary in sea kayaking, do you think? More a river requirement. PT. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Peter, I couldn't agree with you more!! There is nothing on my front deck except a compass. I have seen too many people either lose gear while trying to get through surf or else capsize when a deck bag starts to shift when a wave breaks over the front deck. I don't like storing things (other than a spare paddle) over the rear deck, because you can't see if you are about to lose something. For a lot of good ideas on what should be in a signal kit, repair kit, etc, check out the web site of Wayne Horodowich www.useakayak.org Wayne is the head of outdoor education at the University of California at Santa Barbara, a past member of the US National Kayak Team, and a terrific instructor. I have learned a lot from him in classes, from his website, and also just from some casual paddles that he joined me on. Although he sells gear on his web site too, he is not pushy about it. I have purchased several items from him--i.e. a couple of paddle floats, tow rope, paddle, rescue video, etc. Of course all the usual disclaimers apply, I receive no compensation, goods, or services unless I pay the same price everyone else does---but the advice is free and good. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Treby" <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au> > but I don't like deck stowage if avoidable. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I was hoping Gabe would reply to this thread. He's done the neatest job in his day hatch. He's carved the closed cell foam so that there are shaped spaces for the major items in the day hatch. Ever since I saw it, I've been wanting to do something similar, and when my new boat arrives, I'm going to do just that! Gabe - I thought you had more cutouts than just 2; am I mistaken? Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel L Romeu" <romeug_at_erols.com> To: "Peter Treby" <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au> Cc: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Day Hatch Organizing > Peter Treby wrote: > > > > Hello List: > > Has anyone devised a reasonable means of maintaining order inside a day > > hatch? I > > What else do you want to carry? > I just have a water bottle, camera, power bar or two and a small > emergency kit in a bag (first aid predominately). the water bottle and > camera is secured with closed cell foam and still easily accessible. > the other stuff doesn't really have the mass to really bother about. > > Tell us what you have, maybe we can figure it out. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just 2 at the moment Joan. You probably remember I don't eat too much, so a power bar is there in case I get hungry before dinner, but this is a rarity. Usually I find breakfast and lunch a nuisance. The camera, sunblock and water are the only commonly used items, the first aid kit the only other thing I keep in the hatch. Most other stuff resides on the pfd ,but that is usually trim as well- On one pfd, I carry flares/strobe, both have noseclip, knife, key, hand compass, whistle. Seems that I only use the noseclips with any regularity. the rest of the kit ('cept for tea) are in the main hatches which needn't be readily accessible. I use a towbelt and the front deck has a compass and storm paddle. rear deck, empty. pump is built into the romany, I clipped a hand pump in the cockpit of the silhouette. I also lined the day hatch with 1/4" foam, provides insulation from both temperature and clunking. I am still thinking through Peter's dilemma, I think there is hope... Joan Volin wrote: > > I was hoping Gabe would reply to this thread. He's done the neatest job in > his day hatch. He's carved the closed cell foam so that there are shaped > spaces for the major items in the day hatch. Ever since I saw it, I've been > wanting to do something similar, and when my new boat arrives, I'm going to > do just that! Gabe - I thought you had more cutouts than just 2; am I > mistaken? > -- ¤ gabriel l romeu http://studiofurniture.com + /diary or + /paint *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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