Rick said: I'm leaning to roll, starting with the C-to-C. My biggest problem is hat as hard as I try not to, I continue to lean forward as my hip snap pulls the boat underneath me This doesn't seem like a problem to me. I learned to roll before it was called a C2C and I always end up with my forehead almost touching the foredeck. And, as a whitewater paddler, I always felt real safe. The few times I hit rocks with my brain while rolling, it was the helmeted portion of the brain hitting the rock. The main thing is that I almost always come up. I've missed three combat rolls in the past quarter century and none of them was because I lean forward at the end of the roll. And, until the C2C tradition evolved, I got roundly criticized for my rolling technique because "it just doesn't look right." But it has served me well. Jim Tibensky _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 02:50 PM 4/12/02 -0500, James Tibensky wrote: >Rick said: I'm leaning to roll, starting with the C-to-C. My biggest >problem is hat as hard as I try not to, I continue to lean forward as my hip >snap pulls the boat underneath me > >This doesn't seem like a problem to me. I learned to roll before it was >called a C2C and I always end up with my forehead almost touching the >foredeck. And, as a whitewater paddler, I always felt real safe. The few >times I hit rocks with my brain while rolling, it was the helmeted portion >of the brain hitting the rock. The main thing is that I almost always come >up. I agree with this. A couple of years ago I took the BCU 3 star assessment. The two assessors were both BCU star 5 accredited. At the end of the class, after we had been asked to perform all the required skills, someone asked them to show *us* their rolls. One of them rolled coming up laying back, the other almost kissing the deck. Up is good. Jim Tibensky *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Rick said: I'm leaning to roll, starting with the C-to-C. My biggest > problem is hat as hard as I try not to, I continue to lean > forward as my hip > snap pulls the boat underneath me Jim said; > This doesn't seem like a problem to me. I learned to roll > before it was > called a C2C and I always end up with my forehead almost touching the > foredeck. I've had other responses that said basically the same thing. But, my instructor says that my body should be upright. Perhaps I need to ask him about that and see if I misunderstood. Thanks for the help. Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com> > I've had other responses that said basically the same thing. But, my > instructor says that my body should be upright. Perhaps I need to > ask him about that and see if I misunderstood. Thanks for the help. This just might be a style difference. Coming up with your body tucked forward will require a bit less effort than if it is upright. This is because you're reducing the rotational inertia of your body. As long as your body motion follows and doesn't lead the hip snap, you should be ok. My problem is opposite - I tend to recover a c-c to the rear deck. Foredeck would be somewhat preferable from a control-after-roll perspective. But the c-c is not one of my preferred rolls (shoulder problems). Personally, if I saw you recover tucked forward, I'd say you've got a good roll. You're ready to go with good hip control as soon as you're up. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> This doesn't seem like a problem to me. I learned to roll > before it was > called a C2C and I always end up with my forehead almost touching the > foredeck. >>...I've had other responses that said basically the same thing. But, my instructor says that my body should be upright. Perhaps I need to ask him about that and see if I misunderstood. Thanks for the help. --Unless it really wasn't a C-to-C. When I learned it, we thought of it as a C shape of the body, hipsnap to C shape facing the other way. It was important that the Last bit of your body out of the water was your head. That can't be the case if your forehead is near the foredeck. Your body must remain perpendicular to the boat. On the other hand, my roll in an open canoe depends on my head being very low and close to the front airbag; otherwise I may continue to roll right back over on the other side.... Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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