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From: <KayakherSC_at_aol.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] VCP hatch cover
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:22:51 EDT
Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I can get a replacement VCP hatch 
cover in a timely fashion?  The local outfitter has had my order for about 
two weeks now and seems to be dragging their feet on it, with one excuse 
after another.  A simple web search didn't help.

TIA,
Sandy

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From: Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe <aldercreek_at_qwest.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] VCP hatch cover
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:22:33 -0700
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I can get a replacement VCP
hatch
> cover in a timely fashion?

which size?

I have the round and oval available to ship in the morning.  Is that timely
enough??  =:-o)

steve
Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe    N   45º 39' 47"
250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr.     W 122º 36' 16"
Portland, OR  97217          Web: www.aldercreek.com
Phone: 503.285.0464        Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net



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From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] VCP hatch cover
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:34:12
At 10:22 AM 5/12/02 EDT, KayakherSC_at_aol.com wrote:
>Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I can get a replacement VCP hatch 
>cover in a timely fashion?  The local outfitter has had my order for about 
>two weeks now and seems to be dragging their feet on it, with one excuse 
>after another.  A simple web search didn't help.
>
Try Great River Outfitters -- www.gro.com, I think.

-- Wes
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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] VCP hatch cover
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:52:47 EDT
In a message dated 5/13/2002 12:51:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
aldercreek_at_qwest.net writes:


> now quite a few people know where they might find a VCP hatch, asap.
> Isn't this valuable information?
> 

Probably most valuable to you, Steve.  Call it a purist thing, but this list 
was started with the clear understanding that commercial use was 
unacceptable.  Taking a great leap of faith that a large portion of the list 
was not in immediate need of a VCP hatch, you could easily have gotten away 
with simply contacting the interested party directly.  

Opinions of those who have a commercial interest in the sport is valuable, 
but you'll never see a Mariner or Redwing product being touted. Those folks 
just provide a lot of good information.  That's just the way the list works, 
and members should respect that fact.

Jack Martin
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From: <KiAyker_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] VCP hatch cover
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:38:24 EDT
> Probably most valuable to you, Steve.  Call it a purist thing, but this list 
> 
> was started with the clear understanding that commercial use was 
> unacceptable.  Taking a great leap of faith that a large portion of the 
> list 
> was not in immediate need of a VCP hatch, you could easily have gotten away 
> 
> with simply contacting the interested party directly.  

   I absolutely disagree! I have, in the past, had a great deal of trouble 
finding VCP hatch covers myself. I spent half a day sending out e-mails and 
making phone calls before I finally found one at Northwest Kayaks in 
Washington State. Years later I ordered another one from them simply because 
I knew they had them and it was easier then trying to search the local 
resources for one. Just because I don't need one right now, doesn't mean that 
I might not need one in the future sometime. 
   The question was asked as to where a hatch cover could be found, and Steve 
was, in my opinion, offering his services since he has them in stock. I do 
not feel that he was in any way soliciting his business. I, for one, am glad 
to know of yet another source for VCP hatch covers. I would not have that 
information had he responded back channel.
   I do not see this as being a whole lot different then people soliciting 
the list about information on paddling destinations. As it has been discussed 
before on this list, just because I am not planning a trip to the locale 
being discussed doesn't mean that I don't enjoy learning a little bit about 
the place. I have several trips churning away in the back of my mind that I 
would like to do one of these days that I learned about from this list. I 
would not have that information if all the discussions were conducted back 
channel.
   We have gotten a ton of great information on boat design from Matt and 
Nick and John. These people design boats. Are they soliciting their business 
when they get into these discussions? In a way, they are. So what? They 
aren't blatantly trying to sell anything on the list, and I don't feel that 
Steve is either. What Steve has done may be on a bit of a fine line by the 
strictest application of the list rules, but I do not feel that he crossed 
over it. Just my opinion, I guess.

Scott
So.Cal.
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