I came across a great idea for packing waste out of remote areas. It is a "Blitz 6 qt Oil Pan" available for about $5.00 at most auto parts stores. It is made of tough plastic and is "water" tight. An adult can sit on it but there isn't much clearance for "you know what". I plan to use it with a plastic bag liner with kitty litter to absorb liquids and smell. It is the size of a bed pan with a 8" hole and so could conceivably be used on board a kayak umder way. Frankly, I hope I never have to use it but evidence of the ability to pack waste is required in some wilderness areas. Stephen Nestel Redondo Beach, CA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 06:09 PM 6/3/02 -0700, you wrote: >I came across a great idea for packing waste out of remote areas. It is a >"Blitz 6 qt Oil Pan" available for about $5.00 at most auto parts stores. It >is made of tough plastic and is "water" tight. An adult can sit on it but >there isn't much clearance for "you know what". I plan to use it with a >plastic bag liner with kitty litter to absorb liquids and smell. It is the >size of a bed pan with a 8" hole and so could conceivably be used on board a >kayak umder way. > >Frankly, I hope I never have to use it but evidence of the ability to pack >waste is required in some wilderness areas. > >Stephen Nestel >Redondo Beach, CA I could be very confused, but I thought the plastic bag liners were not allowed in the areas where packing out is required? Gene Couch *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Someone wrote: [snip] > Frankly, I hope I never have to use it but evidence of the ability to pack > waste is required in some wilderness areas. many places that require waste be packed out will also NOT let you go in if you plan to use plastic bags to pack it in, as then it goes to the landfill, creating hazardous waste. this was what has lead to the demise of the famous "rocket box" toilets.. ie empty military ammunition boxs that seal water tight, you just line it, poop, tie off the bag & throw away later... not allowed most places that require human waste packed out. YMMV markz [has anyone noticed how many 'z's there are here now ;-] -- #------seakayaker[at]dotzen[dot]org-----/------------------------------ mark zen o__/ o_/| o_. po box 474 [\/ [__| [__\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 `\--------/--------/' (`----|-------\-') http://www.dotzen.org/folks/markz ~~/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. ~~ English Proverb http://www.dotzen.org/paddler - The Colorado Paddlers' Resource *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
MarkZ wrote: > many places that require waste be packed out will also NOT let you go in > if you plan to use plastic bags to pack it in, as then it goes to the > landfill, creating hazardous waste. If the ultimate destination is a landfill, and not a vault toilet, it would probably be legit to line boom boxes or rocket boxes -- or even just drybags -- with "Wag Bags". They are touted as biodegradable and landfill-approved. (Usual disclaimer -- no affiliation; just a satisfied customer.) They can be found at www.altrec.com, www.campmor.com, and other googlable spots. Ann Rougle *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Ann Rougle wrote: > MarkZ wrote: > > many places that require waste be packed out will also NOT let you go in > > if you plan to use plastic bags to pack it in, as then it goes to the > > landfill, creating hazardous waste. > > If the ultimate destination is a landfill, and not a vault toilet, it would > probably be legit to line boom boxes or rocket boxes -- or even just > drybags -- with "Wag Bags". They are touted as biodegradable and > landfill-approved. (Usual disclaimer -- no affiliation; just a satisfied > customer.) > > They can be found at www.altrec.com, www.campmor.com, and other googlable > spots. actually, it's not the bags that cause the hazardous waste, it's the human feces. most landfills specifically prohibit human waste. that should go to the waste water treatment plant, for the [humor on] "turn herders" [off;-] to deal with. someone with a medical background could probably elaborate better than my "potty humor" ---- ducks and RUNSSSSSssssssss, opps, that was bad too, guess i better go now. paper work done job finished markz ;-] -- #------seakayaker[at]dotzen[dot]org-----/------------------------------ mark zen o__/ o_/| o_. po box 474 [\/ [__| [__\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 `\--------/--------/' (`----|-------\-') http://www.dotzen.org/folks/markz ~~/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. ~~ English Proverb http://www.dotzen.org/paddler - The Colorado Paddlers' Resource *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:03 AM 6/6/02 -0700, you wrote: >MarkZ wrote: > > many places that require waste be packed out will also NOT let you go in > > if you plan to use plastic bags to pack it in, as then it goes to the > > landfill, creating hazardous waste. > >If the ultimate destination is a landfill, and not a vault toilet, it would >probably be legit to line boom boxes or rocket boxes -- or even just >drybags -- with "Wag Bags". They are touted as biodegradable and >landfill-approved. (Usual disclaimer -- no affiliation; just a satisfied >customer.) > >They can be found at www.altrec.com, www.campmor.com, and other googlable >spots. > >Ann Rougle Am getting ready to do the Green in Utah and here is a cut/paste from the requirements: The current regulation requires that all parties traveling along The Green and Colorado Rivers will use a waste haul out system which will enable the group to pack out all human solid waste and at trips end dispose of the waste through authorized sewer systems, i.e., RV dump stations or by flushing down sewer clean outs. Systems using plastic bag liners are no longer allowed as they are not compatible with these disposal regulations. Under no circumstances is burial of feces allowed for river runners. I think this is for all NPS (BLM ?) permits. Been known to be wrong more than once. Gene Couch *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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