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From: Doug Lloyd <dougl_at_islandnet.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Flippers
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:55:29 -0700
Peter O said:
<<<
Flippers! One of the most experienced sea kayakers I know considers them
an important safety backup. I don't carry them and would need to learn
how to use them. Wonder how many sea kayakers carry them and have had to
use them in an emergency?
>>>

I was in the scuba shop this past week looking for a pair. I was
discouraged by the price, as they are not a high priority right now. Now
that I have a dive-quality dry suit, I figured a pair would extend my
back-up options as well as be useful for snorkel activities on a trip
and possible food gathering. I'm just waiting for a good sale. I'll be
buying a pair that fit onto the end of a pair of booties, as opposed to
a pair that fit like socks. I've had to swim a few times, sometimes with
boat in tow, and sometimes not -- when conditions were too hairy or
other factors prevented immediate re-entry or indeed loss of boat.
Anything to extend the range and efficiency getting back to shore or
whatever is invaluable (as is avoiding those situations in the first
place, of course).

DL

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From: PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Flippers
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:59:18 +1000
Doug wrote: -

>I've had to swim a few times, sometimes with boat
>in tow, and sometimes not -- when conditions were
>too hairy or other factors prevented immediate
>re-entry or indeed loss of boat.

Doug,

Was this to come in through surf? Or some other circumstance? When I was
told about using flippers it was in the context of having to land through
large surf by hanging on to the back of the boat and swimming in. I was told
that this was a method used by the armed services - in your opinion is this
a viable option? Its not something I would do for fun but I can well imagine
having to consider it.

All the best, PeterO


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From: Kevin Zembower <kevinz_at_fellspt.charm.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Kayaking in Abaco, Bahamas
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:17:47 -0400 (EDT)
Next week I'm heading to the Abacos Islands in the Bahamas. Can anyone
recommend outfitters or spots to visit or trips to take in this area?

I'm already aware of Abaco Outfitters in Marsh Harbor and a rental company
at Boar Harbor. Those might be the only two on the islands.

Any place or any one to stay away from?

I tried a Google search on Paddlewise and Abaco, but got no hits. [Does
Paddlewise have it's own searchable archives? I didn't see any mention of
it on the Paddlewise site.]

Thanks so much for your suggestions and comments.

-Kevin Zembower


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From: Doug Lloyd <dougl_at_islandnet.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Flippers
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:18:23 -0700
When I think "flippers" in the context of sea kayaking, I'm thinking of
efficient swimming capabilities that the flippers impart. Yes, surf would be one
application. Paul Caffyn might have a better idea if it sounds practical and
viable (folks can get hold of him through <http://www.kask.co.nz/>, editor.

I don't think you need fins normally for swimming your kayak in (and by the way,
many folks do this even in mild surf, because they don't like side-surfing in,
so bail out first). My concerns are with situations where one might get caught
in an alongshore current and need the extra boost of the flippers. Also,
hypothermia concerns are based on total time in the water, and diving type
flippers with their powerful thrust potentiality get you where you want to go so
much quicker in situations where reentry isn't advisable.

I can well imagine armed forces personnel using the flippers-on method, but
would tend to think it is more in the context that these guys are already geared
up in this fashion. That's my read on it anyway. BTW, my new drysuit uses a
rugged yet flexible material called Quadraflex (black) that is apparently used
by the Navy Seals. So, add some fins, a little surf, and I'm ready for covert
operations. Maybe Greenpeace will hire me.

PeterO wrote:

> Doug wrote: -
>
> >I've had to swim a few times, sometimes with boat
> >in tow, and sometimes not -- when conditions were
> >too hairy or other factors prevented immediate
> >re-entry or indeed loss of boat.
>
> Doug,
>
> Was this to come in through surf? Or some other circumstance? When I was
> told about using flippers it was in the context of having to land through
> large surf by hanging on to the back of the boat and swimming in. I was told
> that this was a method used by the armed services - in your opinion is this
> a viable option? Its not something I would do for fun but I can well imagine
> having to consider it.
>
> All the best, PeterO
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