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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Using the Angled Greenland Stroke with a Feathered Euro Paddle
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:36:52 -0800
The last few times I was out paddling I tried using the stroke where the
upper part of the blade is angled forward on blade entry and the elbows are
held down near ones sides and one rotates at the waist for power. I was
doing this with my Epic Wayfarer graphite paddle (with 18” by 7.35” blades)
paddled left feather. I have played with this stroke before but never with
using the forward angle on the paddle of about 30 degrees (or with a GPS to
measure my speed). While cruising I found this technique to work
surprisingly well and I could maintain a speed of 4.9 knots over long
distances with it in my Mariner II. This stroke was however not good for
acceleration or pushing faster with more power. Using a more European stroke
of about 45 degrees I could maintain about 5.2 knots (but was clearly
working harder to do so—the point is it was possible). I’d guess the effort
was roughly equal with both techniques at 4.9 knots and lower. To me this
means that it is another stroke to add to my quiver to trade of with when my
muscles get tired doing one stroke. I almost capsized several times when I
forgot to not use the forward tilted blade angle when starting from a
stopped position. Then the blade would dive down sharply when I applied the
power needed to accelerate. I’ll have to be careful to learn to switch the
angle for starting up and rapid accelerations. I think the reason this
stroke may work as well as it does is that it allows you to pull directly
toward your shoulder. While this may not be applying power as directly in
the opposite direction of your kayaks motion (and therefore be less
efficient) the pull directly in line with your arm is easier on your body
and this compensates for the pull at the “wrong” angle. The forward angle of
the top of the blade also lets the low angled paddle blade slice into the
water very cleanly. This clean entry provides a better grip on the water
than a stroke that lets a pocket of air “ventilate” behind the back of the
blade.
Next time I’ll see if I can keep this entry angle and also slide the paddle
while I feather it too. One nice thing about this stroke for unfeathered
paddlers is that it keeps the paddle blades lower where the waters surface
has slowed the (head)winds more. Angling forward may also cut the windage on
an unfeathered paddle further.
So far I don’t see any reason someone needs a narrow or unfeathered paddle
to use these Eskimo techniques. I think I may be getting the best of both
worlds this way.

Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com <http://www.marinerkayaks.com/>


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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Using the Angled Greenland Stroke with a Feathered Euro Paddle
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:58:19 EST
In a message dated 10/30/2002 11:36:15 PM Central Standard Time, 


mkayaks_at_oz.net writes:








> So far I don’t see any reason someone needs a narrow or unfeathered paddle

> to use these Eskimo techniques. I think I may be getting the best of both


> worlds this way.


> 





Matt,





I think your wording was incorrectly sequenced. The following is how I think 



you  might have intended it:





So far I don’t see any reason someone needs a euro blade, feathered paddle


to use these Eskimo techniques. I think I may be getting the best of both


worlds this way.





;-)





A most respectful cheers to you, Sir,





Rob G





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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Using the Angled Greenland Stroke with a Feathered Euro Paddle
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:17:52 -0800 (PST)
"Matt Broze" <mkayaks_at_oz.net> wrote:
>So far I don’t see any reason someone needs a narrow or unfeathered 
 paddle to use these Eskimo techniques. I think I may be getting the
best of both worlds this way.

Matt,

Good to see you're willing to try just about anything for the sake of
learning. :)  Did you find you had to grip the paddle shaft more
tightly to keep the top edge of the blade canted forward, or was it not
enough to worry about?

Would holding the paddle in this position cause a little bit of
unreliability in a reflexive brace (especially with a feathered
paddle).

Best regards,
Shawn
(Now I need to go try the canted stroke with a Euro myself!)

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From: Steve Scherrer <flatpick_at_teleport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Using the Angled Greenland Stroke with a Feathered Euro Paddle
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:51:38 -0800
Definitely try canting your Euro blades!  It works the same and in fact
makes for a super fast way to get your blade into position for any number of
moves.  I think I'm on my 3rd season of this technique and teach it
regularly in ACA IDW's both WW and Coastal.

steve


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From: Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Using the Angled Greenland Stroke with a Feathered Euro Paddle
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:48:43 -0500
When I decided to investigate the canted stroke I found I had already 
been doing it for a while and hadn't realized it. I have since added a 
little bit of "flare" to my stroke as in a wing paddle and have been 
pleased with the results.

On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 05:51 PM, Steve Scherrer wrote:

> Definitely try canting your Euro blades!  It works the same and in fact
> makes for a super fast way to get your blade into position for any 
> number of
> moves.  I think I'm on my 3rd season of this technique and teach it
> regularly in ACA IDW's both WW and Coastal.
>
>
Nick Schade

Guillemot Kayaks
824 Thompson St
Glastonbury, CT 06033
USA
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From: steve <flatpick_at_teleport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Using the Angled Greenland Stroke with a Feathered Euro Paddle
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:32:38 -0800
Yep.  Stroke efficiency is a blend of:
a. proper posture ( rotation, balance, etc.)
b. paddle blade angle and articulation
c. shaft angle
d. use of the pivot point of the system.

I get students to vary all of the above into and out of the most efficient
scheme to show ALL the variations possible.  Soon one realizes the positions
and style that best suits their body, choice of paddle, etc.  Euro/ GP/
feathered/ non-feathered, heck it's all based on the same concept.  Body/
Boat/ Blade.

Forward canted blade is a natural feel, especially in the 5ş or so range.
Sorta a wing effect, tho I'm really not a wing man!  Pushing the angle up
and up until it gets weird is fun and shows you ALL the different positions
that a blade can provide grip/slip/trip. =:-0)


steve


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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Using the Angled Greenland Stroke with a Feathered Euro Paddle
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:36:05 -0800
Since I was still pulling the blade in the same direction (perpendicular to
the face angle) I don't think I had to grip it any differently. I didn't
notice it anyhow if I did.
Since I was holding the paddle pretty much the same with my hand I don't
think it would hurt my bracing much. Again I didn't notice a problem that
way but them I might not have needed a "reflexive like" brace either. I
certainly was tripped up several times by starting to accelerate with the
blades inadvertently angled this way. I'll need to get over that.
Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Baker [mailto:shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com]

Matt,

Good to see you're willing to try just about anything for the sake of
learning. :)  Did you find you had to grip the paddle shaft more
tightly to keep the top edge of the blade canted forward, or was it not
enough to worry about?

Would holding the paddle in this position cause a little bit of
unreliability in a reflexive brace (especially with a feathered
paddle).

Best regards,
Shawn
(Now I need to go try the canted stroke with a Euro myself!)

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