The last few times I was out paddling I tried using the stroke where the upper part of the blade is angled forward on blade entry and the elbows are held down near ones sides and one rotates at the waist for power. I was doing this with my Epic Wayfarer graphite paddle (with 18” by 7.35” blades) paddled left feather. I have played with this stroke before but never with using the forward angle on the paddle of about 30 degrees (or with a GPS to measure my speed). While cruising I found this technique to work surprisingly well and I could maintain a speed of 4.9 knots over long distances with it in my Mariner II. This stroke was however not good for acceleration or pushing faster with more power. Using a more European stroke of about 45 degrees I could maintain about 5.2 knots (but was clearly working harder to do so—the point is it was possible). I’d guess the effort was roughly equal with both techniques at 4.9 knots and lower. To me this means that it is another stroke to add to my quiver to trade of with when my muscles get tired doing one stroke. I almost capsized several times when I forgot to not use the forward tilted blade angle when starting from a stopped position. Then the blade would dive down sharply when I applied the power needed to accelerate. I’ll have to be careful to learn to switch the angle for starting up and rapid accelerations. I think the reason this stroke may work as well as it does is that it allows you to pull directly toward your shoulder. While this may not be applying power as directly in the opposite direction of your kayaks motion (and therefore be less efficient) the pull directly in line with your arm is easier on your body and this compensates for the pull at the “wrong” angle. The forward angle of the top of the blade also lets the low angled paddle blade slice into the water very cleanly. This clean entry provides a better grip on the water than a stroke that lets a pocket of air “ventilate” behind the back of the blade. Next time I’ll see if I can keep this entry angle and also slide the paddle while I feather it too. One nice thing about this stroke for unfeathered paddlers is that it keeps the paddle blades lower where the waters surface has slowed the (head)winds more. Angling forward may also cut the windage on an unfeathered paddle further. So far I don’t see any reason someone needs a narrow or unfeathered paddle to use these Eskimo techniques. I think I may be getting the best of both worlds this way. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com <http://www.marinerkayaks.com/> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/30/2002 11:36:15 PM Central Standard Time, mkayaks_at_oz.net writes: > So far I don’t see any reason someone needs a narrow or unfeathered paddle > to use these Eskimo techniques. I think I may be getting the best of both > worlds this way. > Matt, I think your wording was incorrectly sequenced. The following is how I think you might have intended it: So far I don’t see any reason someone needs a euro blade, feathered paddle to use these Eskimo techniques. I think I may be getting the best of both worlds this way. ;-) A most respectful cheers to you, Sir, Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Matt Broze" <mkayaks_at_oz.net> wrote: >So far I don’t see any reason someone needs a narrow or unfeathered paddle to use these Eskimo techniques. I think I may be getting the best of both worlds this way. Matt, Good to see you're willing to try just about anything for the sake of learning. :) Did you find you had to grip the paddle shaft more tightly to keep the top edge of the blade canted forward, or was it not enough to worry about? Would holding the paddle in this position cause a little bit of unreliability in a reflexive brace (especially with a feathered paddle). Best regards, Shawn (Now I need to go try the canted stroke with a Euro myself!) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Definitely try canting your Euro blades! It works the same and in fact makes for a super fast way to get your blade into position for any number of moves. I think I'm on my 3rd season of this technique and teach it regularly in ACA IDW's both WW and Coastal. steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
When I decided to investigate the canted stroke I found I had already been doing it for a while and hadn't realized it. I have since added a little bit of "flare" to my stroke as in a wing paddle and have been pleased with the results. On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 05:51 PM, Steve Scherrer wrote: > Definitely try canting your Euro blades! It works the same and in fact > makes for a super fast way to get your blade into position for any > number of > moves. I think I'm on my 3rd season of this technique and teach it > regularly in ACA IDW's both WW and Coastal. > > Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 824 Thompson St Glastonbury, CT 06033 USA Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847 http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yep. Stroke efficiency is a blend of: a. proper posture ( rotation, balance, etc.) b. paddle blade angle and articulation c. shaft angle d. use of the pivot point of the system. I get students to vary all of the above into and out of the most efficient scheme to show ALL the variations possible. Soon one realizes the positions and style that best suits their body, choice of paddle, etc. Euro/ GP/ feathered/ non-feathered, heck it's all based on the same concept. Body/ Boat/ Blade. Forward canted blade is a natural feel, especially in the 5ş or so range. Sorta a wing effect, tho I'm really not a wing man! Pushing the angle up and up until it gets weird is fun and shows you ALL the different positions that a blade can provide grip/slip/trip. =:-0) steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Since I was still pulling the blade in the same direction (perpendicular to the face angle) I don't think I had to grip it any differently. I didn't notice it anyhow if I did. Since I was holding the paddle pretty much the same with my hand I don't think it would hurt my bracing much. Again I didn't notice a problem that way but them I might not have needed a "reflexive like" brace either. I certainly was tripped up several times by starting to accelerate with the blades inadvertently angled this way. I'll need to get over that. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Baker [mailto:shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com] Matt, Good to see you're willing to try just about anything for the sake of learning. :) Did you find you had to grip the paddle shaft more tightly to keep the top edge of the blade canted forward, or was it not enough to worry about? Would holding the paddle in this position cause a little bit of unreliability in a reflexive brace (especially with a feathered paddle). Best regards, Shawn (Now I need to go try the canted stroke with a Euro myself!) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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