Anyone have experience with a sensible ( electronic) gadget that registers distance paddled? Maybe a sensor attached to the inside of the hull or mounted through a hole with the active surface flush with the bottom. Regards clas_kayaker_at_hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Anyone have experience with a sensible > ( electronic) gadget that registers > distance paddled? > Maybe a sensor attached to the inside of > the hull or mounted through a hole with > the active surface flush with the bottom. > Regards clas_kayaker_at_hotmail.com > No, not of the type that you mentioned, but any base model GPS will have a distance feature on it. I'm curious... why take a look at these other electronic gadgets when the GPS can do that and so much more? Not sarcasm, serious question. Can you elaborate on your needs/objectives? Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (i.e. headers/footers/sig lines/comments from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] A friend's GPS leaves a "bread crumb" trail on the screen and shows total distance traveled. You can find your way back by following the dots (crumbs). ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com> Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Registering distance paddled > > Anyone have experience with a sensible > > ( electronic) gadget that registers > > distance paddled? > > No, not of the type that you mentioned, but any base model GPS will have a distance feature on it. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:29:15 +0000, "Clas Hagelstam" <clas_kayaker_at_hotmail.com> said: > Anyone have experience with a sensible > ( electronic) gadget that registers > distance paddled? > Maybe a sensor attached to the inside of > the hull or mounted through a hole with > the active surface flush with the bottom. I've got a knotmeter from speedtech http://www.speedtech.com/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=35 which records distance travelled, along with speed. They have 2 models of interest to a paddler. An impeller verion that has a small "propeller" on a fin that attaches to your boat. The other version is a trailing wire that you just drop over the side. Neither model requires putting a hole through the hull. I used it a fair amount on a couple outrigger canoes (single and double) that I paddled this year. It's great for letting you know right away what effect boat and stroke adjustments have to your speed. Since we were practicing while paddling into a stiff current the knotmeter gave our real speed in the water versus a gps which would have only given our speed relative to the planet. The impeller version is basically 3 pieces. The reciever, which has nice big legible numbers, that attaches to an angled plate which is velcro'ed to the boat. The impeller is in 2 pieces, a base plate (fairly hydrodynamic, that is about 1/2" by 2" (1.25 X 5cm) and maybe 1/4" thick) which attaches with 3M adhesive, and a removable impeller/fin that slides into the base plate. If you change boats a lot the trailing wire is probably preferable. Additional base plates are available, but they are "permanantly" attached to the boat so you can't get speed results in a borrowed boat. I would be interested in finding a source for the 3M adhesive, since I bought the impeller version but paddle a lot of different boats. The results do go haywire when you go under high tension power lines. I'm fairly certain we never got the outrigger doing 35 knots ;-) Kirk -- http://fastmail.fm - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Kirk Olsen" <paddlewise_at_fastmail.fm> > I've got a knotmeter from speedtech > http://www.speedtech.com/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=35 > which records distance travelled, along with speed. Is this widget capable of judging distance travelled independent of local currents? Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Anyone have experience with a sensible > ( electronic) gadget that registers > distance paddled? > Maybe a sensor attached to the inside of > the hull or mounted through a hole with > the active surface flush with the bottom. > Regards clas_kayaker_at_hotmail.com > I use a GPS receiver (a Garmin eTrex Vista, to be exactly), and it not only shows you how far you paddled, but has a lot of other "trip-computer" functions, in addition to showing your location on a moving map. Accuracy is pretty good, provided the antenna can see the sky at all times, which isn't a problem when it's lying on deck in it's waterproof bag. Cheaper ones will have similar but perhaps more limited functions. I also own a GPS12XL that has a mileage counter that could be reset prior to a trip. regards, Kees *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Is this widget capable of judging distance travelled independent > of local currents? > I've rethought my earlier reply about using a GPS receiver: There are actually two "distance" measurements that are not equivalent: 1. there's "True" distance, measured relative to ground or on a map. GPS'es are excellent for this. 2. there's "Muscle" distance, which is just the length of the water you have paddled across. This can only be measured by looking at the water directly below your boat, for instance with a device a previous poster described. Only without current both distances will be equal. On a river with a few miles/h of current, you can paddle a day and get nowhere, or not paddle at all and still cover quite some distance. (wonder why river marathons usually go downstream ? ;-) regards, Kees *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Clas Hagelstam wrote: > > Anyone have experience with a sensible > ( electronic) gadget that registers > distance paddled? Yes Clas, I use an Garmin Etrex GPS. It is advertised as waterproof, with the usual disclaimers. I put it in my PFD pocket. The average accuracy displayed is to 16 feet. Close enough for my calculations. I paddle in the SW Washington state area. On the Columbia river I can not only track distance covered but also drift with the current and read that speed and then add or subtract it from my direction of travel. I consider the basic Etrex model to be both sensible and economical - under $150.00. Of course I also use it mounted on my motorcycle, mountain bike and beloved Subaru. FWIW I don't work for or sell for and am not connected with Garmin and/or its subsidiaries if any way, shape or form. Roggie - home based in Longview, Washington, USA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:38:57 -0500, "Michael Daly" <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com> said: > From: "Kirk Olsen" <paddlewise_at_fastmail.fm> > > > I've got a knotmeter from speedtech > > http://www.speedtech.com/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=35 > > which records distance travelled, along with speed. > > Is this widget capable of judging distance travelled independent > of local currents? It's just an impeller. It's distance travelled relative to the water. Moored in a 6mph current would yield 6 miles "travelled" in an hour. -- http://fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kirk Olsen wrote: >On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:38:57 -0500, "Michael Daly" ><michaeldaly_at_rogers.com> said: > > >>From: "Kirk Olsen" <paddlewise_at_fastmail.fm> >> >> >> >>>I've got a knotmeter from speedtech >>>http://www.speedtech.com/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=35 >>>which records distance travelled, along with speed. >>> >>> >>Is this widget capable of judging distance travelled independent >>of local currents? >> >> > >It's just an impeller. It's distance travelled relative to the water. >Moored in a 6mph current would yield 6 miles "travelled" in an hour. > > > However, most GPS units have an "odometer" feature that will give true distance traveled, if that's what you want to know. You have to leave it on where it can see the sky though. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:09:19 +0100, "Kees van der Meij" <keesvdm_at_xs4all.nl> said: > > Is this widget capable of judging distance travelled independent > > of local currents? > > > I've rethought my earlier reply about using a GPS receiver: There are > actually two "distance" measurements that are not equivalent: > > 1. there's "True" distance, measured relative to ground or on a map. > GPS'es are excellent for this. A GPS would be good in an open water race so you could know whether you were paddling with or against any local currents. Plus knowing where you really are is useful for using a map ;-> > 2. there's "Muscle" distance, which is just the length of the water you > have paddled across. This can only be measured by looking at the water > directly below your boat, for instance with a device a previous poster described. The knotmeter is good for judging how fast you are paddling and if changes to your technique or boat are a good or bad adjustment. With a tandem outrigger canoe we found a full knot of difference depending on how we set the outrigger - paddling the same section of river. In theory using the same stroke technique throughout. kirk clearly showing his technique/racing bias -- http://fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Greetings A few days ago I submitted the question for a gadget to register distance paddled - and got a heap of answers. Thanks. Consensus centers on "Use your GPS". I have used it, but paddling for more than a few days empties the batteries. A deviating answer led me to Speedtech at www.speedtech.com. They sell a trailing wire unit that seems to offer what I'm after. Have ordered one and will try it out. Thanks to PaddleWise and congratulations to upcoming 2000:th issue. clas hagelstam / Finland _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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