Steve said: >snip< > Like any mechanical device that changes the characteristics of a hull so efficiently comes with a price. In certain extreme conditions the looseness of a rockered hull is nice.< That can be a problem with integral skegs like Duane added to his kayak. It is a bit of a debate, but I know good paddlers who would not ever go near a kayak, such as the Nordkapp with fin-skeg, because it can be very difficult to turn them into a strong wind. Duane may want to experiment on a safe lee-shore, testing his modifications. Just the fact that a kayak has an integral skeg doesn't make it an unsafe kayak, as all kayaks have differing dynamics. Steve also said: >we make, sell and give skegged customers skeg tools. they're thrift store table knifes ground into a hook, similar to a climber's nut tool. These work well at cleaning the skeg box of grit. The mechanics that run the skeg are other story. I'm not a huge fan of the bungie system and the wire system is a t better. I'm actually working on a new system that is pretty fun and challenging. we'll see.< Okay "Tinker Belle," we know you are always tinkering and messing around in boats, but I was wondering if you have had a chance to see the new CD Gulfstream. It has a nice skeg system that the designers took some time to tweek. Any comments? Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug asks:>> but I was wondering if you have had a chance to see the new CD Gulfstream. It has a nice skeg system that the designers took some time to tweek. Any comments?<< Haven't seen a new system by CD, tho their old system works quite well. The only problem I have with CD's skeg is the PITA it is to replace the cable. It's a grinder and rivit gun and at least an hour. I have done a VCP wire skeg in 10 minutes, in the field. Gotta agree with you about the intregal skegs. in over 25 knots they can be a real challenge, tho most folks are "onshore" _at_ 25+ knots! =:-o) steve Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe N 45š 39' 47" 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr. W 122š 36' 16" Portland, OR 97217 Web: www.aldercreek.com Phone: 503.285.0464 Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
What about the Kajak Sport skeg? I recently paddled a Millennium and was really impressed with the skeg system. -Patrick At 1:00 PM -0800 12/18/02, Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe wrote: > >Haven't seen a new system by CD, tho their old system works quite well. The >only problem I have with CD's skeg is the PITA it is to replace the cable. >It's a grinder and rivit gun and at least an hour. I have done a VCP wire >skeg in 10 minutes, in the field. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Patrick asks: > What about the Kajak Sport skeg? I recently paddled a Millennium and > was really impressed with the skeg system. Yep, the KS skeg system is a great system. they need to be replaced skeg and wire as they're bonded together, tho. not a happy time in the field. In my experiences the KS hasn't failed in the field, so maybe a moot point. Eddyline, P&H and others use the KS skeg system for their own designs, as well. steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Their new rudder system looks very innovative as well. They seem to be proving to be a great company. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- > What about the Kajak Sport skeg? I recently paddled a Millennium and > was really impressed with the skeg system. > > -Patrick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Yep, the KS skeg system is a great system. Donīt know how the system looks now, but Iīm the owner of an Artisan 2000, the Boat before the Artisan Millenium and his Skeg system is on the outer side okay. Makrolon Skeg, could be a little bit bigger, but never got problems with it. BUT inside, you have to treat the wire-system where the cable get out from the skeg box and into the cable tube, very carefully. They glued a long and non stabilized "sausage" without any resin-connection to the deck or the sides. you have to stow all the stuff carefully around this sausage. Otherweise you may break these thin resin-piece and it may cause leaking. In my Sirius itīs much better. Okay, a connection from the skeg box to the deck, i.e., may be a problem with pressure n the deck. Best way should had been, to avoid this "sausage" design and to integrate and glue it in a closed way to the skeg box. I hope its better made on the newer boats. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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