I am doing a presentation for our local paddling club on trip organization. I would like to do a section on risk assessment - but can't find too much material on it. I would like to set up a chart or matrix to make it easier for beginner paddlers to understand. Has anybody done something like this in their local clubs? Or know any net references that I can follow up on? Thanks, :-) Jim Meldrum Lesser Slave Lake Sea Kayak club (in -30 C Northern Alberta, Canada) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (i.e. headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] I led boundary waters canaoe trips with college students. My university demanded a waiver of liability from the students--a waiver listing EVERYTHING that could possibly go wrong on the trip. It never occurred to me to list having a fingernail clipping fly up into a student's eye. dan tallman Aberdeen, South Dakota -----Original Message----- From: Jim Meldrum I am doing a presentation for our local paddling club on trip organization. I would like to do a section on risk assessment - but can't find too much material on it. I would like to set up a chart or matrix to make it easier for beginner paddlers to understand. Has anybody done something like this in their local clubs? Or know any net references that I can follow up on? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I was recently given an entry form for a Florida surf contest. I was really puzzled when I read the waiver which said that the sponsor would not be held liable for anything even if it was their fault. Lovely. Just lovely. I threw it out. Jim et al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tallman, Dan" <tallmand_at_northern.edu> To: "'Jim Meldrum '" <meldrum_at_yourfuture.ab.ca>; <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> > I led boundary waters canaoe trips with college students. My university > demanded a waiver of liability from the students--a waiver listing > EVERYTHING that could possibly go wrong on the trip. It never occurred to > me to list having a fingernail clipping fly up into a student's eye. > > dan tallman > Aberdeen, South Dakota > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Meldrum > > I am doing a presentation for our local paddling club on trip > organization. I would like to do a section on risk assessment *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A release may insulate your group from certain lawsuits associated with a kayaking trip - particularly you may be insulated from lawsuits predicated upon lack of knowledge of inherent risk associated with kayaking; in general, however, a waiver will not provide a defense for suits based on negligence. Although you should inform participants of the associated risks with kayaking and obtain a signed waiver, if you or your group are negligent in conducting an event, the waiver may not insulate you or your group from a lawsuit. Phares Heindl Board Certified Civil Trial Lawyer Phares_at_heindllaw.com 222 So. Westmonte Drive, Suite 208 Altamonte Springs, Florida 407-865-5700 www.heindllaw.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Jim, There are a lot of sites for formal Risk analysis with rigorous approaches to risk assessment. I haven't seen any examples specific to paddling. A table with these headers may help for a presentation. I'd like to see what you come up with. - ignoring strict analysis formuli may be sufficient for some levels of presentation (Comma separated) Activity, Failure Mode, Cause, Effect, Impact, Probability, Risk, Risk control, Residual Risk. I - L,M,H; P - L,M,h; I*P=R Example line: Paddling, Loss of bouancy, water ingress through hole in hull, serious loss of stability and floatation, H, (depends - L?), M, Charts - training - pretrip checks, L Hope this helps, Graham Bennett, gbennett at shaw <dot> ca *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Melissa said in response to Graham in response to Jim (I think): >On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 12:35:44 PM PST, Graham wrote: > >There are a lot of sites for formal Risk analysis with rigorous approaches to risk assessment. I haven't seen any examples specific to paddling.<< >The Tsunami Rangers have developed a class rating system for the sea similar to the white water river/rapid class rating system: http://site.netopia.com/tsunami/seaconditionsratingsystem/ Melissa< The Washington Kayak Club may still use the one George Gronseth helped oversee, namely the Sea Kayak Trip Classification system. I noticed it was published in the latest special issue of "Kayak Touring" by Canoe & Kayak Magazine. (I usually don't bother with these special editions as they are somewhat banal for anyone other than entry-level paddlers, but the recent issue had a great piece (two actually) by Jon Turk - one titled "Ocean Chaos" that should be an interesting read for beginners, I'm sure!) I'm also looking forward to the new book on sea kayaking and risk co-authored by Doug Alderson of local fame and Mike Pardy of ORS. That a publisher was/is willing to take on the "risk" of actually publishing a book with a high content given to risk management specific to paddling is a real feather in the cap of these fine two long-time paddlers. The book is titled "Handbook of Safety and Rescue" and is due out in March. I hope all my comments above meet with the approval of the individuals referenced - if not, I apologize proactively. I'm afraid to open my mouth these days - too busy most days anyway to post. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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