Mark said: I can get more angle by leaning > out instead of edging, but then only a little more before I reach the > tipping point. Don't lean out, Mark! You will go over! Keep your head centered over the boat, and lean the boat with your hips. Your body should look like the letter "J". This, cleverly, is called the "j lean." Jolie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:46 AM 3/27/03 -0800, Jolie Francine Wheeling wrote: >Mark said: > I can get more angle by leaning > > out instead of edging, but then only a little more before I reach the > > tipping point. >Don't lean out, Mark! You will go over! Keep your head centered over the >boat, and lean the boat with your hips. Your body should look like the >letter "J". This, cleverly, is called the "j lean." Unless you're edging the boat merely as a balancing exercise with a J-lean titling the hull is just one of several parts that make up a stroke. Typically, edging the boat is done to assist in turning and is in combination with some amount of lean and support (bracing) with the paddle. Here are a couple of pictures I took of Nigel Foster doing a demo at the Sweetwater symposium. The first is a low brace turn and the second a high brace turn. http://caddis.mannlib.cornell.edu/tampa/tampa00058.JPG http://caddis.mannlib.cornell.edu/tampa/tampa00063.JPG Note that his appears to be leaning much more than edging the boat but isn't in danger of capsizing because he's getting support from his low/high brace. It's also worth noting that the paddle support is coming from setting a climbing blade angle as he's moving forward. If he were not moving he *would* likely capsize if he remained in the position shown in the pictures and was not moving forward. When not moving forward or backward the same effect is accomplished by sweeping the paddle back and forth while maintaining a climbing angle on the paddle blade. For the most part when I'm edging my boats aggressively by leaning out I *would* tip over if I wasn't also getting support with a brace. Keep on practicing your bracing on the move and you'll be able to edge over further and further. A good exercise for edging is to try to turn in a circle with sweep strokes just on one side. Edge the boat over as you begin a sweep from bow to stern. If you have bit of a climbing angle on the paddle blade it will have you additional support as you're sweeping back, allowing you to edge over with a J-lean quite a bit. At the end of the sweep, without taking the boat off edge, quickly flip the paddle over into a low brace position and barely skim it across the surface back forward, then do another forward sweep. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jolie, I have to respectfully disagree. While the "J" lean is what you want to do while edging--leaning is also an extremely good technique for some moves---BUT it requires support strokes at the same time. You can't do a high brace turn, low brace turn, or even a proper sweep without leaning. At those times however, your paddle will keep you from going over. You can also paddle much better backwards (both faster and straighter) if you lean the boat to each side and put the paddle down flat on the water. This way you use your body weight to move you backwards instead of your arms, torso, and shoulder. The controversial Derek Hutchinson filmed a video called Beyond the Cockpit and teaches a class by the same name that is all about using support strokes. Done properly, they not only work, but are beautiful to look at. Doing a broached landing in surf also requires that you lean. If you try to do it while staying upright, you will capsize in a flash----don't ask how I learned that ;-) Steve Holtzman Southern, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jolie Francine Wheeling" <jolie_at_rockisland.com> > Don't lean out, Mark! You will go over! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>The controversial Derek Hutchinson filmed a video called Beyond the Cockpit Controversial? Is there some intrigue in the kayaking world I don't know about? I've read one of his books and would love to hear why he's controvesial. Also, I've seen from the archives that John Winters used to write to this forum. Is he out there still designing kayaks? I was interested in what he had to say, being as I have a kayak designed by him. Mark Sanders *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sanders" <sandmarks_at_attbi.com> > >The controversial Derek Hutchinson filmed a video called Beyond the Cockpit > > > Controversial? Mark, People who have met Derek, either love him or hate him. I fall into the first category and would take any class he was teaching that I could. That being said, some people don't like the fact that he is opinionated, stubborn, and has the classic dry British sense of humor. If you take one of his classes, you WILL use a feathered paddle, you WON'T chew gum, you WON'T wear gloves (but pogies are ok). And if you are paddling something other than a British heavy, you won't hear the end about how most North American builders make their boats too light to hold up to any rough water. Aside from that---there's no controversy. And I have learned a lot from him from just 2 classes. Can't wait until he returns so I can do it again. Steve Holtzman Southern, CA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>>>People who have met Derek, either love him or hate him. I fall into the first category and would take any class he was teaching that I could. >>>Aside from that---there's no controversy. And I have learned a lot from him from just 2 classes. Can't wait until he returns so I can do it again. Too bad you're in California. There's a weekend long show here in NJ called PaddleSport, near New Brunswick. It's landlocked, unfortunately, so no water demos except in a small pool... But both Derek Hutchinson and Nigel Foster will be doing programs this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Joe said: >>But both Derek Hutchinson and Nigel Foster will be doing programs this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.<< Hmmmm? A class with Derek or _Nigel_. That's a no brainer! Doug Lloyd (with apologies to Steve H) ;-) Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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