A couple of young paddlers I know with 6 year old and a 3 year old children are trying to decide what kind/type of a boat they should get to carry the four of them plus some gear such as for overnight camping. Anyone have a suggestion or recommendation? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 02:26 PM, Dave Bishop wrote: > A couple of young paddlers I know with 6 year old and a 3 year old > children > are trying to decide what kind/type of a boat they should get to carry > the > four of them plus some gear such as for overnight camping. Anyone > have a > suggestion or recommendation? How about a canoe? Lots of room for gear, room for kids to squirm. Stable enough to let them do things that would be scary in many kayaks. Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 824 Thompson St Glastonbury, CT 06033 USA Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847 http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Bishop wrote: > A couple of young paddlers I know with 6 year old and a 3 year old children > are trying to decide what kind/type of a boat they should get to carry the > four of them plus some gear such as for overnight camping. Anyone have a > suggestion or recommendation? Sounds like a job for a 17-18 foot tripping canoe. Send them to the Wenonah website (http://www.wenonah.com) for a good basic education. -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Bishop wrote: >A couple of young paddlers I know with 6 year old and a 3 year old children >are trying to decide what kind/type of a boat they should get to carry the >four of them plus some gear such as for overnight camping. Anyone have a >suggestion or recommendation? Steve Cramer wrote: Sounds like a job for a 17-18 foot tripping canoe. Send them to the Wenonah website (http://www.wenonah.com) for a good basic education. Ralph Hoehn writes: They might also want to check out one or another of the larger open cockpit folding boats out there if they're more comfortble with double paddles than with single blades. Best regards, Ralph Ralph C. Hoehn Folding Boat Center P.O. Box 700 Enfield NH 03748 info_at_FoldingBoatCenter.com www.FoldingBoatCenter.com phone: +1-802-649-2555 -- Ralph phone: +1-603-632-9500 -- Alv (yup, they rhyme) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 11:26 AM, Dave Bishop wrote: > A couple of young paddlers I know with 6 year old and a 3 year old > children > are trying to decide what kind/type of a boat they should get to carry > the > four of them plus some gear such as for overnight camping. Anyone > have a > suggestion or recommendation? If I wanted to transport two kids as small as that little one, I'd suggest they look at 2 Tribalance kayaks. <http://www.tribalance.com/> This clever little tupperware boat has a main hull 21" x 14 feet, so it's pretty quick, and two outriggers with a total width of 92" or about 7.5 feet, making it _extremely_ stable. (can you say flyfishing from a standing position?) It would allow unexpected movement from a little one without any danger of pitching everyone into the water. It would also be especially handy for fishing one out of the water, too. (For little ones like that I'd equip them with a PFD with a nice big handle like the doggy ones do, for snapping them out of the water, quickly, in case of need.) The stability is especially handy if you want to take pictures, video, etc. while on the water. Not a great real rough water boat, but then I wouldn't be taking the little ones out in that kind of stuff, anyway. The only only other alternative I see would be a big boat like a triple kayak, or a canoe, which are choices I wouldn't go for. (John, Should I include that it was designed by a sometimes poster on the list, who occasionally writes educational treatises under a professorial nom de plume?) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Check out the marine mammals _at_ <http://homepage.mac.com/dflory/Menu5.html> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Speak softly and study Aikido, then you won't need a big stick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Check out the marine mammals _at_ <http://homepage.mac.com/dflory/Menu5.html> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Speak softly and study Aikido, then you won't need a big stick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
We used a Seascape II for 10 years for this purpose with the kids going from 0 to 10. I build a fiberglass shell for the center hole that completely could shelter the youngest child and the older child was in the back hatch. It worked. We had friends who used the same solution without going to the trouble of making the fiberglass shell. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:26:56 -0700, "Dave Bishop" <bishopd_at_jps.net> said: > A couple of young paddlers I know with 6 year old and a 3 year old > children are trying to decide what kind/type of a boat they should get > to carry the four of them plus some gear such as for overnight camping. > Anyone have a suggestion or recommendation? Let's see I've got a 3 and a 6 year old.... For the whole family we use a Wenonah Jensen 17 for day trips. For an overnighter I would take our Old Town tripper. As for 4 people in one kayak - they could build a Kodiak triple ( http://www.arctickayaks.com/PlansKodiak_3Kayak.htm ) or a Dyson triple with an oversized center cockpit ;-) Having paddled one of those beasties they would be safer in it than any canoe I've used. Alternatively they could buy a pair of double kayaks. Kirk -- Kirk Olsen kork4_at_cluemail.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
We used an Eddyline San Juan , (triple - two cockpits and one huge hatch) while our son was growing up and it worked well for us. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Dave Bishop <bishopd_at_jps.net> Subject: [Paddlewise] Boat For A Family of Four >A couple of young paddlers I know with 6 year old and a 3 year old children >are trying to decide what kind/type of a boat they should get to carry the >four of them plus some gear such as for overnight camping. Anyone have a >suggestion or recommendation? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 02:26 PM, Dave Bishop wrote: > A couple of young paddlers I know with 6 year old and a 3 year old > children are trying to decide what kind/type of a boat they should get As a die hard kayaker, I'd vote for a .... canoe. It's also highly dependent on the local water conditions they have available, but for waters that are kid-friendly, they're also quite appropriate for open canoes. With the potential for more open-water conditions, Kirk's Dyson baidarka suggestion is a good one. Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Rev. Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net> wrote: > We used an Eddyline San Juan , (triple - two cockpits and one huge hatch) > while our son was growing up and it worked well for us. The San Juan is no longer manufactured, I believe, but you might find a used one. Enormous boat, and a great sailing platform, one of the uses for which it was designed. Another solution, and relatively cost-effective at that, might be two Folbot Greenland II's. Plenty of room for the youngster in front to loll around, read, sleep, or [gasp!] paddle. Two friends made use of G II's for this for a few years while their kids were small. They never went anywhere very fast, but the kids loved it. Two kids in a single cockpit together, seems to bring out the worst. They tried that, but their nerves were never the same. Come to think of it, they might have a San Juan, and be willing to sell it. The Dad is a sometime Paddlewiser: Bill O'Brien. Yo, Bill? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Not from personal experience - but the above suggestion (was it Dave?) of wide-beam folding double like Folbot GII is worth exploring. Nautiraid double could be even more stabile (37" inflated width), or Klepper Quattro (the one with 4 sponsons, don't remember the width, but hell, it's a lot of stability). Quattro is used by some army troops, I don't know their exact number of crew and amount of "gear", should be 2 men + pretty heavy weapons and other stuff; with total weight more than a family with 2 kids and few-days camping gear. Klepper owners would telll you more. But... well, I don't see Quattros for less than $4000, even used ones. It's a barge, not many people own or need them in civilian life :-). You could get 2 new GII for the same buck, and there are plenty of them used ones, too. I personally would favour a 2-boat option - if anything happens to one of the boats, then the other one could (hopefully) render some assitance. Alex. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Another solution, and relatively cost-effective at that, might be two Folbot >Greenland II's. Plenty of room for the youngster in front to loll around, >read, sleep, or [gasp!] paddle. Two friends made use of G II's for this for >a few years while their kids were small. They never went anywhere very >fast, but the kids loved it. Two kids in a single cockpit together, seems >to bring out the worst. They tried that, but their nerves were never the >same. > >Come to think of it, they might have a San Juan, and be willing to sell it. >The Dad is a sometime Paddlewiser: Bill O'Brien. > >Yo, Bill? You rang, Dave? Dave's post is accurate. We're hanging on to the San Juan. Now that our son hit his teens, it works well with him in the front, our daughter in the middle, and the wife happily paddling a single. We all paddle singles on day trips with the 10 yr/old in a pigmy osprey 13. She only weighs 65 lbs but can really move. She only has two speeds - just like her dad. There are a lot of San Juans still around and I've been told they still make them for outfitters when asked. Having both kids in the middle was tough, especially with a feisty little one. The folboats are a great value and similar folders work well for kids in the front. Pack a couple of the heavier objects in the front and the boat trims out well. We have sailed them, too. The kids really liked that. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Seda is coming out with a new model soon called the Amigo. I've been trying to get them to build this kayak for 6 years now so I'm glad to see it is finally happening. It is a big single 18' or so long and 25.5" wide that can fit a big paddler as an expedition single kayak but the front hatch can also become a front cockpit to make it into a day paddling double (suitable for a paddler at least up to 120 pounds if not more if the stern paddler is heavier). When I tested the prototype a couple of weeks ago 120 pounds was how heavy the bow paddler was, I'm 195 pounds. The idea was to have a day paddling double that was small enough to be handled by one paddler so that a totally non-paddler could ride in the front (your dog, your kid, your grandmother) as well allowing a smaller paddler paddling it as a double. It should be ready pretty soon and might be one way to take one or even two kids along (the biggest in the bow cockpit/hatch and the smaller between your legs and resting their head on your belly or sitting on your lap and paddling with hands on the paddle just inside yours). I used to take my daughters out in a 20.5" kayak this way and they learned to paddle by just doing what I was doing with the paddle (with their hands just inside mine) while they sat on my lap. 10 or 15 minutes was my limit for having a kid sit on my thighs so when that got too difficult to me they could slip down between my legs and sit on a cushion that was in front of my seat. Obviously, some capsize drills with help standing by would be in order before paddling this way. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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