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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags or 6'8" tall in footie pajamas?
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 21:59:52 -0500
I have a problem that I don't think I'm alone in - mummy-style sleeping 
bags and I don't work well together.  I'm curious what solutions other 
'mummy-haters' have devised...sorry for the long-ish post - but hoping to 
spark an exchange of ideas.  Decent sleep is crucial to having fun outdoors 
(IMHO).....

I'm 6'8" tall, 250 lbs and even though I've purchased bags that are built 
for 'big boys' such as myself, they still feel very confining and tight.  I 
tend to move around/roll/change leg positions/etc when I sleep and in a 
mummy style bag I just never sleep very well.  I do not use the drawstring 
hood on my mummy bags - I couldn't tolerate that additional 
confinement!  Granted, the mummy style is good in some respects - it is 
warm and an efficient use of packing space.

SO....I'm trying to think of options.  Notice that I'll have to hink of TWO 
options - one for summer camping and another for the colder months.  Here 
is a quick list of options that have been tossed about - some crazy some 
obvious.  #6 seems to hold the most promise:

1) buy a large, rectangular bag.  Sounds good but many of the high quality 
bag makers do not offer rectangular bags in the higher-end gear or in 
taller sizes (they usually go to 6'3").  Also, Most rectangular bags are of 
the 'flannel mallard duct print on the inside, weigh 15 lbs, and roll up to 
a size just smaller than a VW Beetle' variety - not something that will 
travel well via sea kayak or canoe.  They seem to be warm through sheer 
bulk and volume.  Although comfortable!

2) for summer a simple polar fleece bag (like from the local Target store) 
works fairly well.  Certainly doesn't come in 'extra tall sizes' - but 
would be easy enough to sew one of these myself.

3) take several blankets.  Would work but not exactly a great solution when 
space is tight.  Plus, I always seem to wake up with a leg or foot hanging 
in the cold in the middle of the night!

4) take tranquilizer or muscle relaxant so I don't move when sleeping 
!!  Tent mates would probably appreciate this but probably not a good option!

5) someone (seriously) suggested sleeping in a warm set of clothing sans 
blankets or sleeping bags - clothing specific for that purpose - they 
described this as similar to "insulated cover-alls", "snowmobiler's suit", 
or a big pair of kids' "footie" pajamas' made out of fleece.  An option I 
suppose, but wouldn't really give you that warm, fuzzy, curling-up-in-bed 
feeling.  Besides, the image of a 6'8", 250 lbs guy in fleece footie 
pajamas heading to the privy by moonlight scares even me!! :o)  Tent mates 
would be few and far between....and I'm not sure what the local bear 
population would make of it!  The idea seems pretty far-fetched, but maybe 
I'm dismissing it too fast.

6) The 'rolling your own' option:  create a custom sized sleeping bag that 
has a very thin bottom layer (maybe polypropylene?) attached to a warm but 
stuffable top layer.  For a top layer thinking of something like a down 
comforter (nylon or at least non-cotton shell?) from a twin-sized bed?  I 
know heat is lost to the ground - but assuming I'm adequately padded below 
(therma-rest/closed cell foam) maybe this would work?  Having the two 
stitched together would keep wandering legs/feet inside at night.  The bag 
could be used 'thin-side down' in warmer weather.  I suppose a fleece liner 
could be added to extend the season.  It seems like I've seen things kind 
of like this - but never in extra tall sizes - only for 'regular' people 
(aka 'normal').  Also, I think the ones I saw were still mummy style.  I 
could even see this custom bag tapered so that the leg area is wider than 
the torso area (reverse mummy) - to give me a bit more leg room to move 
around at night.

Well, that about does it for ideas that have passed my way.  I'm anxious to 
hear if there are any other non-mummy users out there - and what solutions 
they've turned to.

Thanks in advance for all who join in this exchange.
Keith

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From: PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags or 6'8" tall in footie pajamas?
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 19:21:56 +1000
Keith wrote: -
>mummy-style sleeping bags and I don't work well together.
>I'm curious what solutions other 'mummy-haters' have devised

G'Day,

Not sure if this would work in colder climates. I unzip the bag and use it
as a blanket under and over. Means in summer you can easily adjust exposure
for coolness. Also use silk pajamas which allows rolling over without
disorganising the bedding too much. Found silk pajamas to be suprisingly
resistant to mossie bites when walking about the camp site. Most of my mates
think this is hopelessly decadent, but they are quite cheap over here:~)

All the best, PeterO


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From: Gary J. MacDonald <garyj_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags or 6'8" tall in footie pajamas?
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:26:29 -0400
1.	Mountain Equipment Coop has a bag for large economy size folks.  You 
might check it out.   http://www.mec.ca

2.	If Frostline Kits are still out there, you could check into what 
could be done by way of adapting one to fit you.  A semi-custom job.

GaryJ


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From: Dan Williams <Danjw_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] sleeping bags or 6'8" tall in footie pajamas?
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 07:13:22 -0500
Take a look at www.bigagnes.com, Big Agnes sleeping bags, make a 3-D
Polarguard rectangular bag with a pocket that hold you theramrest pad in
place, supposed to make rolling around much easier. I'm not sure about you
"length problem". Maybe they can customize one for you.


> 1) buy a large, rectangular bag.  Sounds good but many of the high quality
> bag makers do not offer rectangular bags in the higher-end gear or in
> taller sizes (they usually go to 6'3").  Also, Most rectangular bags are
of
> the 'flannel mallard duct print on the inside, weigh 15 lbs, and roll up
to
> a size just smaller than a VW Beetle' variety - not something that will
> travel well via sea kayak or canoe.  They seem to be warm through sheer
> bulk and volume.  Although comfortable!
>
>
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