Dave said: >Rough seas on the Columbia River bar: http://www.columbiariverbarpilots.com/Picture_gallery/weather_rough_seas/Page.html Dave, I particularly like the picture (#02) of the pilot boat inbound with the bar "going off" in the background. That picture, more than any other I have ever laid eyes on, typifies the intoxicatingly numb fear that the bar must present when its "going off." The waves rear dangerously high, loosing their backs as each peak plunges instantly downward toward the trough, driving the hapless mariner's bow into the opposing current, thereby driving a bow deeper and cartwheeling or rolling the vessel over. And to think that only as little as four or so decades ago, the pilots rowed out to meet and mount their commercial inbound steeds. It's no wonder helicopters make most of the drops now. I believe a lot of the Motor Life Boat training for the Coasties takes place close inshore. It was actually an IMAX screening of the Ilwaco boys doing their thing that got my crank turing to pay a visit to the bar. Anyway, must be quite the rush: http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/nws/wea00811.htm Check out the video of how the French do it in the open Atlantic: http://www.sea-rescue.de/the-sea.html Or perhaps how the Germans do it: http://www.sea-rescue.de/video2330mclass.html As far as my experience on the Columbia River Bar, I had no idea I'd be paddling into an area so murky with controversy when I hit the end of the North Jetty 2 years ago this May. As you know the Columbia River Crab Fisherman's Assoc. cited 11 Columbia River bar victims and 5 drownings in 2001 alone. Later in that summer two 45-foot crab boats were capsized off the North Jetty near where I ran into my own difficulties in the Spring -- the worst incident back then being the Miss Brittany accident on August 7 with loss of two young men and the third traumatized after spending hours in the upturned hull. The crabbers cite wave amplification in the Site E area where the Corps have been dumping their dredging spoils for decades. I was wholly unaware of Site E as I attempted to swing wide of the mayhem off the North Jetty. I was more worried about Peacock Spit on the other side of the jetty, where all chart data and your comments suggested a rough ride due to a strong alongshore current with the daily Northwesterly winds, swell, wind waves, and flooding tide -- not to mention potential dangerous hydraulics caused by the jetty proper. Site E turned out to be a trapezoid configuration 10,000 to 12,000 feet wide at the base by 1,000 to 3,000 feet wide at the other end, mounding to a shallow depth with millions of cubic yards of sand evident by the eerie translucent, greenish sandy color in the trough valleys. The strong current and lack of directional stability caused by the turbulence forced the kayak into a wide arc, out into the middle of Site E before I could develop a mitigating strategy to round the jetty and make the Spit. I had two occasions to back out before it got worse, but I was determined not to let it beat me. Unusually high confidence that day won out. The relatively decent conditions for May during a drought year with high temperatures also allowed for a margin of error. (BTW, my radio was stashed away, leaving me to my own potential rescue efforts. I wouldn't abuse your system and tax dollars). As Duane would say, roll or die. Or perhaps re-enter, roll, or die. While I'm not entirely sure the Corps had addressed concerns forthrightly with respect to small vessels transiting this area, what I don't understand is why a small to moderately large working vessel would _want_ to transit this area (my self excluded). As evidenced by the dangerous crab pot lines I encountered once I was through to Peacock Spit in the notoriously dangerous and protracted surf-current mixed zone, this is where the crabbers must have been working their pots, not Site E as some claim. >From what I can gather, the Coast Guard inquiry found the skipper negligent for working their line of pots in a know hazardous area. The waves break in three different direction there (and Site E too I found). I know, as I rolled many times. You mentioned sneaker breaks, and these can break unexpectedly half a mile out even in summer. The drowned men were not wearing PFD's and it would appear there was a loss of situational awareness and an overestimation of seamanship skills. I suppose marine workers harvesting their sustenance from the sea take frequent risks in pursuit of profibility. Bathymetric surveys were apparently not being done for some time prior to the accidents, though one just happened to be done that winter just prior to the accidents and suggested wave increases, increases that the fishermen felt were presenting "unnecessary life-threatening danger." The survey further suggested that material dumped had not been washed away by winter storms in this usually highly erosive area. So, who does one believe: the fisherman, the Corps, or the Coast Guard? I dunno, but I sure had a fun paddle. I'm just glad it wasn't in the winter. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." 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This Summer my daughter and I are thinking of doing some traveling on the East Coast and doing day paddles along the way. I figure that it is a good chance for us to spend some time together before she goes off to college in the Fall. There is a chance that we may have a non paddler (my wife) along who is willing to drive between places to pick up and drop off along the way. This would open the possibility of one way cruises. She may or may not be along though. We will be starting and finishing in Baltimore. I thought that Mystic might be one probable stop. Plans are still open though. We may do a mix of motels and camping. Length of trip may be anywhere between 4 days and 16 days. Does anyone have suggestions of possible trips and destinations? We also plan to spend some time on the Chesapeake Bay, but that will be a different trip on board our sailboat, and probably without our kayaks. Then again... has anyone towed two kayaks behind a sailboat? I did some sailing with one in tow and that worked out well. Not sure about two though. Pete __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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I got to check out the CR bar area in late December, 2002. Outside swells were at 20-30', and outside the 'A' Jetty on the north side were still breaking 15' high. (The swell was largely dampened by the outer jetties, but a strong onshore wind had just enough fetch behind the North Jetty to give the A Jetty a serious pounding). We had a great time surfing the refracted swells behind A Jetty, and 2 of our party decided to transit A Jetty and cross to a landing at Waikiki Beach. I was half considering joining them, when I got a big charley horse in my right elbow. I was well-hydrated and well warmed up, but I think it was fear's way of saying, "you would do well to paddle back to Ilwaco!". And the maniacal grin and wide eyed look from Steve Scherrer saying an emphatic "no way"! I think fear of having to land at the _other_ Waikiki also kept me back! Yup, I turned into a big simpering puppy! :) Tim and Ginni landed at Waikiki without mishap about the same time Steve and I made it back to Ilwaco. The same day, a trawler sank outside Florence, OR in the 30' swells. I seldom make choices that I'll later regret. I always have fond memories of paddling in high winds, calm but pouring rain, downy snowflakes...times when it would be easy to say, "no way" and stay home. While a little envious of the other two, I still don't much regret not going for it...it's good to feel later that you don't need to second-guess your decision. Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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