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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Rough Seas
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:29:02 -0700
Dave said:
>Rough seas on the Columbia River bar:
http://www.columbiariverbarpilots.com/Picture_gallery/weather_rough_seas/Page.html

Dave, I particularly like the picture (#02) of the pilot boat inbound with
the bar "going off" in the background. That picture, more than any other I
have ever laid eyes on, typifies the intoxicatingly numb fear that the bar
must present when its "going off." The waves rear dangerously high, loosing
their backs as each peak plunges instantly downward toward the trough,
driving the hapless mariner's bow into the opposing current, thereby driving
a bow deeper and cartwheeling or rolling the vessel over. And to think that
only as little as four or so decades ago, the pilots rowed out to meet and
mount their commercial inbound steeds. It's no wonder helicopters make most
of the drops now.

I believe a lot of the Motor Life Boat training for the Coasties takes place
close inshore. It was actually an IMAX screening of the Ilwaco boys doing
their thing that got my crank turing to pay a visit to the bar. Anyway, must
be quite the rush:

http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/nws/wea00811.htm

Check out the video of how the French do it in the open Atlantic:

http://www.sea-rescue.de/the-sea.html

Or perhaps how the Germans do it:

http://www.sea-rescue.de/video2330mclass.html


As far as my experience on the Columbia River Bar, I had no idea I'd be
paddling into an area so murky with controversy when I hit the end of the
North Jetty 2 years ago this May. As you know the Columbia River Crab
Fisherman's Assoc. cited 11 Columbia River bar victims and 5 drownings in
2001 alone. Later in that summer two 45-foot crab boats were capsized off
the North Jetty near where I ran into my own difficulties in the Spring -- 
the worst incident back then being the Miss Brittany accident on August 7
with loss of two young men and the third traumatized after spending hours in
the upturned hull. The crabbers cite wave amplification in the Site E area
where the Corps have been dumping their dredging spoils for decades.

I was wholly unaware of Site E as I attempted to swing wide of the mayhem
off the North Jetty. I was more worried about Peacock Spit on the other side
of the jetty, where all chart data and your comments suggested a rough ride
due to a strong alongshore current with the daily Northwesterly winds,
swell, wind waves, and flooding tide -- not to mention potential dangerous
hydraulics caused by the jetty proper. Site E turned out to be a trapezoid
configuration 10,000 to 12,000 feet wide at the base by 1,000 to 3,000 feet
wide at the other end, mounding to a shallow depth with millions of cubic
yards of sand evident by the eerie translucent, greenish sandy color in the
trough valleys. The strong current and lack of directional stability caused
by the turbulence forced the kayak into a wide arc, out into the middle of
Site E before I could develop a mitigating strategy to round the jetty and
make the Spit. I had two occasions to back out before it got worse, but I
was determined not to let it beat me. Unusually high confidence that day won
out. The relatively decent conditions for May during a drought year with
high temperatures also allowed for a margin of error. (BTW, my radio was
stashed away, leaving me to my own potential rescue efforts. I wouldn't
abuse your system and tax dollars). As Duane would say, roll or die. Or
perhaps re-enter, roll, or die.

While I'm not entirely sure the Corps had addressed concerns forthrightly
with respect to small vessels transiting this area, what I don't understand
is why a small to moderately large working vessel would _want_ to transit
this area (my self excluded). As evidenced by the dangerous crab pot lines I
encountered once I was through to Peacock Spit in the notoriously dangerous
and protracted surf-current mixed zone, this is where the crabbers must have
been working their pots, not Site E as some claim.

>From what I can gather, the Coast Guard inquiry found the skipper negligent
for working their line of pots in a know hazardous area. The waves break in
three different direction there (and Site E too I found). I know, as I
rolled many times. You mentioned sneaker breaks, and these can break
unexpectedly half a mile out even in summer. The drowned men were not
wearing PFD's and it would appear there was a loss of situational awareness
and an overestimation of seamanship skills. I suppose marine workers
harvesting their sustenance from the sea take frequent risks in pursuit of
profibility.

Bathymetric surveys were apparently not being done for some time prior to
the accidents, though one just happened to be done that winter just prior to
the accidents and suggested wave increases, increases that the fishermen
felt were presenting "unnecessary life-threatening danger." The survey
further suggested that material dumped had not been washed away by winter
storms in this usually highly erosive area.

So, who does one believe: the fisherman, the Corps, or the Coast Guard? I
dunno, but I sure had a fun paddle. I'm just glad it wasn't in the winter.

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC

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From: Peter Staehling <staehpj1_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Rough Seas
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 05:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
This Summer my daughter and I are thinking of doing
some traveling on the East Coast and doing day paddles
along the way.  I figure that it is a good chance for
us to spend some time together before she goes off to
college in the Fall.

There is a chance that we may have a non paddler (my
wife) along who is willing to drive between places to
pick up and drop off along the way.  This would open
the possibility of one way cruises.  She may or may
not be along though.

We will be starting and finishing in Baltimore.  I
thought that Mystic might be one probable stop.  Plans
are still open though.  We may do a mix of motels and
camping.  Length of trip may be anywhere between 4
days and 16 days.

Does anyone have suggestions of possible trips and
destinations?

We also plan to spend some time on the Chesapeake Bay,
but that will be a different trip on board our
sailboat, and probably without our kayaks.  Then
again... has anyone towed two kayaks behind a
sailboat?  I did some sailing with one in tow and that
worked out well.  Not sure about two though.

Pete

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From: Peter Staehling <staehpj1_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] OOPS! That should have been...
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 06:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
"East Coast Trip Questions".  I forgot to change the
subject line.

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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Rough Seas
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:44:02 -0700 (PDT)
I got to check out the CR bar area in late December, 2002.  Outside
swells were at 20-30', and outside the 'A' Jetty on the north side were
still breaking 15' high.  (The swell was largely dampened by the outer
jetties, but a strong onshore wind had just enough fetch behind the
North Jetty to give the A Jetty a serious pounding).

We had a great time surfing the refracted swells behind A Jetty, and 2
of our party decided to transit A Jetty and cross to a landing at
Waikiki Beach.  I was half considering joining them, when I got a big
charley horse in my right elbow.  I was well-hydrated and well warmed
up, but I think it was fear's way of saying, "you would do well to
paddle back to Ilwaco!".  And the maniacal grin and wide eyed look from
Steve Scherrer saying an emphatic "no way"!  I think fear of having to
land at the _other_ Waikiki also kept me back!  Yup, I turned into a
big simpering puppy! :)  Tim and Ginni landed at Waikiki without mishap
about the same time Steve and I made it back to Ilwaco.

The same day, a trawler sank outside Florence, OR in the 30' swells.

I seldom make choices that I'll later regret.  I always have fond
memories of paddling in high winds, calm but pouring rain, downy
snowflakes...times when it would be easy to say, "no way" and stay
home. While a little envious of the other two, I still don't much
regret not going for it...it's good to feel later that you don't need
to second-guess your decision.

Shawn

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