Rob said: It is interesting that paddling a double kayak is such a different experience from paddling an open canoe, almost invariably a two person activity, especially when going any great distance. Why is there no horror stories of relationships destroyed, or at least tested to their limits, by this activity? I say: Put your best buddy in the bow of the canoe and you paddle the stern. First day OK for the most part. After several days all you can see is the big pimple on his neck that the b#%&*rd grew just to aggravate you. Life is short, so wear your party pants, Ronnie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:41:13 -0700 Dave said: >Rafael did a nice job summarizing the advantages of a double, though I confess I have not done a standing relief maneuver in mine (yet!).< Sorry if I downplayed the advantages of a double kayak. I thought folks would catch the context. However, even strong paddlers can have problems with solo re-entries _where no prior thought or practice_ has been given to the notion of self-rescue. Cockpits are a known liability, and a double, doubly so. Enough paddlers have perished over the last to decades to substantiate that. Rafael does point out how easy a coordinated double kayak solo rescue actually is, with two paddlers who know what they are doing. Two good paddlers in a fast, seaworthy double, are a force to reckon with. Ken Fink often reminds paddlers at symposia how effectively easy a double kayak can be to self-rescue for the two paddlers. Add a 500 GPM electric pump or better and the rescuability of a double is truly remarkable -- just make sure, if possible, that strong bulkheads are installed, lest the double-standard be a negative one. Rafael said of Larry and Arthur: > >Im rather sorry they decided to abort trip in the most important leg.<< Given Larry's prior MVA, I'd say he (they) did remarkably well. The human spirit amazes me. As far as their leaky boats, I'll not comment or sing any leaky boat songs. :-) Doug Lloyd - goodnight! Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 15 Jun 2003 at 18:19, Harley1941_at_aol.com wrote: > Put your best buddy in the bow of the canoe and you paddle the > stern. > First day OK for the most part. After several days all you can see is > the big pimple on his neck that the b#%&*rd grew just to aggravate > you. I paddled the Nahanni in a canoe with a 14 yr old in the bow (no relation and I didn't know him beforehand). The week after returning home, I purchased my first single sea kayak and haven't paddled a canoe since. Need I say more? Canoes can be divorce boats too! Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I would like to point out the photo in the current Canoe & Kayak that accompanied a small piece I wrote. It is of a couple (I know the woman from kayaking) who surprised their wedding guests at the end of the marriage ceremony when they jumped into a canoe they had secretly built and in their wedding garb paddled off. From what I know of her personality, and by extension his, they will be paddling it for the next 50 years. Doubles are a lithmus test of some sort of something about individuals. Perfectly good people pass it and perfectly good people don't. I have no idea why this is so. ralph diaz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Daly" <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddling in doubles > On 15 Jun 2003 at 18:19, Harley1941_at_aol.com wrote: > > > Put your best buddy in the bow of the canoe and you paddle the > > stern. > > First day OK for the most part. After several days all you can see is > > the big pimple on his neck that the b#%&*rd grew just to aggravate > > you. > > I paddled the Nahanni in a canoe with a 14 yr old in the bow (no > relation and I didn't know him beforehand). The week after returning > home, I purchased my first single sea kayak and haven't paddled a > canoe since. Need I say more? > > Canoes can be divorce boats too! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've been following this thread on doubles as "divorce boats" and have some experience, after many shouting matches in a canoe w/ my wonderful wife. In my opinion one of the key differences between a canoe and a double kayak would be the rudder. This device has removed most of my dependence on the bow paddler (whoever that may be) to help point us in the correct direction and has allowed us to paddle in sync more or less and enjoy the sights instead of screaming "left" or "right" at each other. I'm sure with practice and patience any team will get to know how to handle things on the water but the learning curve seemed pretty nasty to us! Regards, Joe *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 6/17/2003 6:56:53 AM Central Daylight Time, stromski_at_ticon.net writes: > In > my opinion one of the key differences between a canoe and a double kayak > would be the rudder. This device has removed most of my dependence on the > bow paddler (whoever that may be) to help point us in the correct direction > and has allowed us to paddle in sync more or less and enjoy the sights > instead of screaming "left" or "right" at each other. That's just like living with 'em before ya get married: Still 50 percent possible of divorce. Rob G A former double paddler ; ) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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