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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] security, route I chose
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:17:46 -0500
Thanks for all of the responses regarding boat security - once again, 
demonstrating that this is a great community of folks.

For now this is the solution I chose:  - pretty normal lasso type 
cables....details below if anyone cares or finds it useful:

I stopped by the local home center and picked up a 25' package of 1/8" 
vinyl coated galvanized cable ($8) and 2 packs of swage fittings ($2).  Cut 
the cable in half.  Used 40" of the cable to make a loop on either end - 
stripped end for swage fitting but then drilled out the swage fitting so 
that it would slide over the plastic coating.  Probably not kosher but I 
can pull as hard as possible on it and they hold fast.  Made smaller loops 
on the other ends.  Used a cold chisel and hammer to swage the fittings 
(again, not according to instructions!).  Added some friction tape to the 
fittings to keep them from scratching everything they touch.  About 15 
minutes invested not including shopping.

I'll either lock these together or simply close them in the car door to 
prevent someone from easily getting away with my boat.  If I think that the 
cable can slide through the door, I'll tie a quick overhand knot around the 
steering wheel or whatever.

FWIW, I'm in the Midwest (southern WI), and for the most part if we see a 
boat on a car we likely know who the owner is - not like on the coast of 
Washington!  I'm typically only hauling my CD Storm - granted, I wouldn't 
want to replace it but it isn't like I'm hauling around an unbelievably 
valuable ride.  Risk is probably fairly low around here - my intent is to 
stop the "hey, let's screw around with that" criminals.

Thanks again for the assistance and ideas,
Keith
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From: <Kevin50110_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] security, route I chose
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:26:26 EDT
I've responded before on this cable issue, sometimes personally sometimes 
public. but I will say it again; cable is the worst of the retaining methods to 
use. Short of 3/4 inch cable, 19.6 mm, easily concealable cable cutters can cut 
through your security in less than . 5 seconds per cable.

I use 5.0 mm coated, aircraft, cable myself but that is purely for 
restaurants, pit stops, and places you can watch your boat. If I travel I always get a 
ground floor room, and inspect it to make sure I can get my kayak in the room. 
That is safe, but annoys the maids to no end unless you leave your DND sign up 
all day.

Were I to leave it on the truck overnight, I'd use the biggest hardened chain 
I could find, with the best locks. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if some 
enterprising thief found a way through. Short of staying with your boat there's 
no way.

KMN
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From: td376 <td376_at_mail.anonymizer.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] security, route I chose
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:40:36 -0400
For real heavy duty cables and locks go to your local Harley dealer.

Kevin50110_at_aol.com wrote:

> I've responded before on this cable issue, sometimes personally sometimes 
> public. but I will say it again; cable is the worst of the retaining methods to 
> use. Short of 3/4 inch cable, 19.6 mm, easily concealable cable cutters can cut 
> through your security in less than . 5 seconds per cable.
> 
> I use 5.0 mm coated, aircraft, cable myself but that is purely for 
> restaurants, pit stops, and places you can watch your boat. If I travel I always get a 
> ground floor room, and inspect it to make sure I can get my kayak in the room. 
> That is safe, but annoys the maids to no end unless you leave your DND sign up 
> all day.
> 
> Were I to leave it on the truck overnight, I'd use the biggest hardened chain 
> I could find, with the best locks. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if some 
> enterprising thief found a way through. Short of staying with your boat there's 
> no way.

-- 
Jan Mason
td376_at_mail.anonymizer.com

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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_attbi.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] security, route I chose
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:28:01 -0700
-----Original Message----
>For real heavy duty cables and locks go to your local Harley dealer.


Or just rent a Hells Angel for the night
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