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From: bruno roussennac <b_roussennac_at_hotmail.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Need tip for Horn Island, Mississipi
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:22:07 +0000
Hi Paddlers,

I am planning to paddle to Horn Island (10 miles off-shore mississipi). I
have limited open sea paddling experience and I will like to get some
advises on what safety equipement to bring. (extra paddle, flare, radio,
sea anchor?, ...)

I have an inflatable sea kayak (Aire sea tiger), I realize it is not as
fast as a proper sea kayak, but I don't have the room for a proper one! I
will like to know what is the average speed of a proper kayak in calm sea
condition, average paddler so I can compare with mine.

Thanks

Bruno


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From: Brian Curtiss <bc_at_asdi.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Need tip for Horn Island, Mississipi
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:53:23 -0600
Bruno Roussennac wrote:
>I am planning to paddle to Horn Island (10 miles off-shore mississipi). I
>have limited open sea paddling experience...

While this island is about 6-7 miles off shore, it is not really an 
"open ocean" crossing.  One suggestion would be to get a copy of the 
NOAA chart for the area.  You should be able to plan a fairly direct 
route from the Pascagoula waterfront to Horn Island that keeps you in 
shallow (less than 6' deep) water almost the entire time.  You'll 
also need to investigate tidal currents.  Be sure you wear good 
sturdy shoes as the bottom is likely covered with oysters.  Also, 
with a water temperature of about 85F, there is little risk of 
hypothermia.

>and I will like to get some
>advises on what safety equipement to bring. (extra paddle, flare, radio,
>sea anchor?, ...)

Here is some info you may find useful:
trip rating scale: <http://www.nspn.org/NSPScale.html>
suggested/required gear list: <http://www.nspn.org/NSPGear.html>
skills lit: <http://www.nspn.org/NSPTechnique.html>

>I have an inflatable sea kayak (Aire sea tiger), I realize it is not as
>fast as a proper sea kayak, but I don't have the room for a proper one! I
>will like to know what is the average speed of a proper kayak in calm sea
>condition, average paddler so I can compare with mine.

Somewhere in the 2.5-4 knot range for most paddlers/boats.

Brian
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From: Patrick Maun <patrick_at_patrickmaun.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Need tip for Horn Island, Mississippi
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:22:32 -0500
Unless things have changed since I was there, you'll also need to 
bring your own water. I don't recall tides being a big issue though 
wind can be as the water is so shallow. Check in with some of the 
rangers at the parks down there as they can be really helpful. 
There's lots of nice paddling around.

-Patrick

At 11:53 AM -0600 6/25/03, Brian Curtiss wrote:
>Bruno Roussennac wrote:
>>I am planning to paddle to Horn Island (10 miles off-shore mississipi). I
>>have limited open sea paddling experience...
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From: Jackie Myers <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Need tip for Horn Island, Mississipi
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:31:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brian Curtiss <bc_at_asdi.com>

> While this island is about 6-7 miles off shore, it is not really an 

Actually, Horn Island is about ten miles directly south of the 
Mississippi coastline.  You can make a stop-over along the way on 
Round Island.


> "open ocean" crossing.  One suggestion would be to get a copy of the 

Not exactly but open ocean experience is a good idea simply because it
is not a continuous barrier island and the miles in between islands
as well as island to shore can get "interesting."  You will be dealing
with very large ships as the route takes you right through the ICW.
Not sure I'd want to paddle the distance in an inflatable.  I'd look
for a kayak to rent if you can't take one with you.  Also, just an
fyi, there are alligators (which should come as no surprise
with anyone familiar with paddling the Gulf coast area).  They are
quite shy.

I wrote a story about a trip Bob and I took out there seven years ago.
It may be useful or not.  But you can find it along with some photos at

http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/hornIs.html

The Round Island light house is no more.  It was taken out by hurricane
George.  Too bad as it was an interesting landmark.  Check recent 
charts because the barrier islands can change shape and/or location after
hurricanes.

> NOAA chart for the area.  You should be able to plan a fairly direct 
> route from the Pascagoula waterfront to Horn Island that keeps you in 
> shallow (less than 6' deep) water almost the entire time.  You'll

Huh?  I wouldn't count on that.
 
> also need to investigate tidal currents.  Be sure you wear good 
> sturdy shoes as the bottom is likely covered with oysters.  Also, 

Horn Island was sandy as I recall.  Very fine quartz.  But there 
are plenty of oyster beds in the area.  Be sure to take a *good* 
patch kit.  We ended the very short life of an inflatable when
it blew onto a just-below-the-water oyster bed at Goose island on
another trip.  Fortunately, it was just a few feet from shore. 
Oyster beds are hard enough on plastic kayaks.  I will never again
take an inflatable out there.  But that's just me.  

Except for the bugs, it was a great trip.  Would do it again but 
would wait until later in the year and after hurricane season.

Jackie

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