I'd been wondering a fair bit how Chris Duff was going to make out paddling with Leon and Shawna, as Chris has been paddling solo for so long now on his previous expeditions and tends to crank it out (funny how those wiry guys just keep on keeping on, windmilling through the waves despite the age-related degeneration most of us succumb to). Anyway, turns out the three are having a real adventure if you aren't already following the web site. Also looks like Leon gets the first "capsize Icon" on any yet-to-be drawn for a book circumnavigation map (unverified of course). Looks like Shawna has the in-water-rescue savvy and metal to do her female species very proud indeed. As my 9-year old daughter said, "Go girl!" :-) http://www.icelandexpedition2003.com/current.asp Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The cockpits look like keyholes, not ocean style. Does anyone know the thinking on that choice? Tom Joyce ------------------------------------------ The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any further disclosure or use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:43 PM 6/5/03 -0500, Joyce, Thomas F. wrote: >The cockpits look like keyholes, not ocean style. Does anyone know the >thinking on that choice? I don't think the Romany Explorer is available with an ocean cockpit. It sounds like Leon's spray skirt didn't implode even under some pretty harsh conditions so I think they're okay with the keyhole cockpits. Chris also used a Romany with a keyhole cockpit for his circumnavigation of New Zealand. I don't think an ocean cockpit would have prevented the carnage that the surf did to that boat. I'd heard about the damage done to it but his new book has a picture of it. I found it kind of ironic that Leon ended up doing a wet exit because a couple of months ago he was doing my BCU assessment, I missed my first roll attempt, and he said "you don't have to try it again, John, I've seen you roll lots of times". *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 6/5/2003 1:46:42 PM Central Daylight Time, TJoyce_at_bellboyd.com writes: > The cockpits look like keyholes, not ocean style. Does anyone know the > thinking on that choice? > They are Americans. Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug, Chris wrote on the website that before the trip it was agreed that he could paddle alone, and Leon and Shawna would paddle together, but they would all meet at different points in the day and camp together. He also wrote that he had been paddling alone, usually a ways ahead of them, because his pace was faster. Duane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lloyd" <dalloyd_at_telus.net> > I'd been wondering a fair bit how Chris Duff was going to make out paddling > with Leon and Shawna... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Tom said: >The cockpits look like keyholes, not ocean style. Does anyone know the thinking on that choice?< Either expedition or local waters use, the pros and cons of various cockpit arrangements are the same. I believe the current BCU school-of-thinking would advocate for a cockpit that provides quick egress yet good solid ensconcement. Only a white-water keyhole cockpit shoehorned into a sea kayak can provide for these two objectives. Having said that I prefer my ocean cockpit as I don't need to splay my legs to gain the required purchase that the keyhole cockpit normally demands. I also believe many fine paddlers advocate a bit of a loose fit to allow some wiggle room, as well as a big enough cockpit like a keyhole one, which also makes cowboy scramble rescues much easier. I restrict myself to mostly fully inverted re-entry and roll methodologies for self rescues, so the ocean cockpit works fine for me. I'd certainly look at the keyhole cockpit more seriously in terms of attributes if and when I replace my old-generation Nordkapp. I do know paddlers who make their own kayaks, and specifically incorporate the ocean cockpit dimensions out of choice. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 11:22:04PM -0700, Doug Lloyd wrote: > Tom said: >> The cockpits look like keyholes, not ocean style. Does anyone know the >> thinking on that choice? > Either expedition or local waters use, the pros and cons of various > cockpit arrangements are the same. I believe the current BCU > school-of-thinking would advocate for a cockpit that provides quick > egress yet good solid ensconcement. Only a white-water keyhole > cockpit shoehorned into a sea kayak can provide for these two > objectives. I don't get to play much in surf, yet alone with a boat loaded down with the gear required for an expedition, but in reading through some of Chris Duff's "Southern Exposure" (particularly the part about the surf landing where he trashed the hell out of his NDK Explorer), I can't imagine trying to do a trip that required these type of landings with an ocean cockpit. I have more than enough trouble trying to get my 36" inseam legs out of a decent size keyhole cockpit reasonably quickly as it is, let along trying to figure out how to do so with an ocean cockpit. I can't imagine any amount of experience would help much there. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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