Dave asked: >A long-time buddy of mine and his wife are planning a several-day trip in their double within Kyuquot Sound on Vancouver Island, enroute to a rendezvous at the community of Kyuquot with an outfitter who will ferry them and their double to the Bunsbys. The outfitter will also ferry them and their boat back, to Fair Harbour, I think.< A double is good. But dump a double in rough water and, well, you know...two water-logged cockpits for the price of one. >They are weak paddlers in strength, though he is a seasoned mariner, and has reasonably decent judgment.< That helps. It can get might foggy in and around Union Island. Paddlers have got lost for partial days and even more in this area. Inlet paddling is okay in term of hazards, but watch for outflow winds in morning against strong flood. Boring paddling in here. Vehicle security can be an issue at Fairharbour. The entire section from Clerke Point (Brooks) to Rugged Point (south of Kyuquot Channel) is just a day trip for me, but the abundance of a viable population of Sea Otters makes it all worth while. Please advise your friends if they do go to be respectful of all First nation requirements and sites. Gaining permission for certain areas should be done prior to heading up. Send me either your address or your friends and I'll send a brochure on the area. >Because of their weaker paddling strength, and so they can explore some of the less-visited areas of the Sound, they plan to take three days to make the Fair Harbour - Kyuquot stretch. They have asked me to query the group for advice:< >1. Is paddling in the Bunsbys a bad idea for them?< Generally no, especially with a water-taxi ride in and out. Bunsbys per se are fairly benign. The section between McLean Island and Malksope Point can be both overestimated ("Hey man, this is a mill pond today, what's the fuss?" to "Holy crud, this is damn jobbly water!" >2. Are there difficult passages getting to Kyuquot? In particular, is there any substantial current in Crowther Channel (separates Surprise Island and Union Island)? [They recognize that the outside of Union Island is exposed, and not a good place for them.] 3. And, is the stretch behind Amos and Rolston Islands leading to Kyuquot protected, or is it subject to difficult swell and/or wind waves?< Just remind them that the open stretch can be truly open as above comments suggest. Saturday's marine report was the usual, 25 knots by late afternoon, one-meter swell. Then Sunday it went to 45 knots with 3- to 4-meter swell building in afternoon. Yet North Brooks was milder in every respect. Anyway, McLean Island can get lumpy with a 4-meter swell and whitecaps. Just look at the bathymetry. The wind can funnel in and accelerate through the pass between Spring Island and McLean. I know, 'cause I only paddle here in these conditions. But I've heard it can be safe and boring too. :-) >These folks have done little paddling on exposed waters, and while their navigation skills are good, I fear their inability to muscle up when needed may lead them to grief.< How about South Nootka? Bligh Island and the Spanish Pilot Group make for great paddling. There's water taxi availability, a ferry, Friendly Cove, inter-island camping, and the presence of other paddlers which may be a good thing for newer paddlers to be around. My 2 cents (always worth less by the time I get around making a post) Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Dave. I spent a week up in the south Brooks area last summer. It's an awesome place and a week just doesn't do it justice. I plan to go back. We encountered humpback whales, sea otters, bears, sun, surf and all of this with out the crowds associated with places like the Broken Group. I think three days from Fair Harbour to Kyuquot Village is a little much. Kyuquot was our lunch stop on the way to the Bunsby's. I think the area conditions would suit intermediate paddlers but I wouldn't recommend it for an extended paddle. There isn't a whole lot to see in that first stretch. The area has been extensively logged and there are few camping spots. The ones I did see looked buggy and were small, more suited to bivy bags than tents. Timing the currents would certainly help but there wasn't any dangerous tidal conditions that I saw. Once outside of Crowther Channel you are subjected to ocean swells for the short stretches between the islands but nothing technical. Chances are very good that you would encounter a head wind in the afternoon as well. A better idea would be to catch a water taxi from Fair Harbour directly to the Bunsby's and do day trips from there. There is at least one outfit in Zeballos running these trips. Once inside the Bunsby's the area is fairly sheltered, much like the Broken Group. I would suggest that your friends pick up one of Kirby Steven's maps when they get up here. I think he has one for the area and they are invaluable for showing camping areas and points of interest. The usual west coast doctrine of paddling in the morning before the wind comes up applies. They should also be prepared for rain, fog and cool temps. Check the weather forecast often, it can change in a hurry up there. Steve Davis Victoria, BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Weak paddlers with decent judgement wanting to paddle open waters in the middle of nowhere sounds like a big fat contradiction in terms. Also sounds like potential trouble. What if the wind suddenly blows in the wrong direction, say towards Okinawa?. What if one or more paddlers poops out in midstream? They should at least bring along some strong and experienced paddlers to balance things out a little. Just my opinion. Brad Bradford R. Crain Dept. of Mathematical Sciences Portland State Univ. 724 SW Harrison St. 334 Neuberger Hall Portland, Or. 97201 e-mail: brad_at_mth.pdx.edu phone: 503.725.3127 fax: 503.725.3661 >>> "Dave Kruger" <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> 06/09/03 10:16PM >>> A long-time buddy of mine and his wife are planning a several-day trip in their double within Kyuquot Sound on Vancouver Island, enroute to a rendezvous at the community of Kyuquot with an outfitter who will ferry them and their double to the Bunsbys. The outfitter will also ferry them and their boat back, to Fair Harbour, I think. They are weak paddlers in strength, though he is a seasoned mariner, and has reasonably decent judgment. Because of their weaker paddling strength, and so they can explore some of the less-visited areas of the Sound, they plan to take three days to make the Fair Harbour - Kyuquot stretch. They have asked me to query the group for advice *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > >A double is good. But dump a double in rough water and, well, you know...two >water-logged cockpits for the price of one. My short experience with doubles has forced me to think that they can be very nice reliable boats that can take easier rough conditions that singles would have difficulties with. For some reason doubles are not very popular but my finding has been. (of course it depends on the type of boat you use). 1.- In rough surf in Padre Island in 2002 my partner and I could go out and back many times. We capsized on the first attempt but after we synchronized ourselves we repeatedly crossed the breakers and came back, doing some heavy braces at times, but had a blast picking up 4 - 5 foot waves and running in to shore. 2.- Rescuing ourselves in doubles is much easier than in singles. I have done rescues in the surf zone. One paddler holds the boat while the other climbs, and he can pump his side for better balance or brace while the other climbs up. Another method has been like this. I have left the other paddle on one side and filled my paddle float and made a reentry and roll and kept the float as an outrigger while the other boater climbs up and we both pump out water. 3.- Rolling the double works very well with two 80% efficient rollers. One paddler hits the boat under the water two times and both roll at the time of the third hit. We have done it many times with good results. My friend Juan Luis rolls the double by himself without paddlefloat. I can roll it sometimes, but I can roll it always with a paddle float. In the model we have tried, the front and back paddler are separated so that they are closer to bow and stern and turning is so, so easy, because the front paddler only makes half sweep stroke, from bow to middle and the back paddler sweeps from middle to stern. 8 strokes suffice to do a full 360 degrees turn. Of course edging the boat helps a lot and since it is wide at the center, the edging works very well. Our friends Arthur Hebert and Larry Koenig paddled a double in one good piece of their www.lacostadelgolfo.com circumnavigation, from Chachalacas Veracruz to Chiltepec Tabasco in all kinds of water conditions. Their comments are very encouraging. If I was to do a rough crossing I feel more inclined to use my double with a friend that can paddle more or less at my pace, than with the single. Bracing, side strokes, turning, etc are done in the same way. Other advantages. One can take pictures. One can prepare lunch. One can rest or pee (it is always good to take into consideration wind direction for the sake of the other). One can swim to refresh himself, etc. Best Regards, Rafael el cayucochief www.mayanseas.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Rafael Mier Maza" <sildriel_at_ciateq.net.mx wrote: [In response to Doug Lloyds remarks:] > >A double is good. But dump a double in rough water and, well, you know ... > >two water-logged cockpits for the price of one. > My short experience with doubles has forced me to think that they can be > very nice reliable boats that can take easier rough conditions that singles > would have difficulties with. [snip] > Other advantages: > One can take pictures. One can prepare lunch. One can rest or pee (it is > always good to take into consideration wind direction for the sake of the > other). One can swim to refresh himself, etc. Rafael did a nice job summarizing the advantages of a double, though I confess I have not done a standing relief maneuver in mine (yet!). I have owned two doubles, one a Folbot Greenland II and the other a Pygmy Osprey Double I built. Both worked well for my SO and me. I am a much stronger paddler, so the double allows us to meld our skills into a stronger unit than we would be in two singles, by judicious choice of paddle blade size and shaft length.. This is an advantage Rafael did not mention, though I am sure he knows of it. Doug's comment, in the context of use of a double by two __weaker__ paddlers, is pertinent, though: two flooded cockpits in one boat amounts to a lot of water to remove as part of self-rescue. My SO and I did self-rescue practice with our doubles, and felt re-entry was a lot easier than in separate singles, because the in-the-water paddler serves as an outrigger for the entering paddler. Then, the paddler inside the boat can use a paddlefloat on his/her paddle to stabilize the boat while the second paddler re-enters. As the rescue proceeds, the paddlers can take turns dealing with the water while the other stabilizes the boat. But, bailing and pumping (our boats are open between cockpits; the Pygmy is bulkheaded fore and aft of the paddlers, but not in the center) was exhausting! The weaker paddlers who stimulated Doug's remarks would be really wiped out if they had to bail their double (it is the one I made). That negates some of the safety advantages of a double, and in an insidious way: weaker paddlers like my buddies are likely take a double into conditions where they would not take separate singles. But, if they swamp or capsize ... then they are in deeper trouble, once inside the boat, than they would be in separate singles. The total volume of water to be removed from two swamped singles (both bulkheaded) is smaller. Tradeoffs ... tradeoffs. I wonder how much rescue practice outfitters (those who use doubles exclusively for clients) do before launching, and what techniques they might have developed which would make rescuing a swamped double easier and simpler. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Rafael Mier Maza" <sildriel_at_ciateq.net.mx wrote: [In response to Doug Lloyds remarks:] > >A double is good. But dump a double in rough water and, well, you know ... > >two water-logged cockpits for the price of one. > My short experience with doubles has forced me to think that they can be > very nice reliable boats that can take easier rough conditions that singles > would have difficulties with. [snip] > Other advantages: > One can take pictures. One can prepare lunch. One can rest or pee (it is > always good to take into consideration wind direction for the sake of the > other). One can swim to refresh himself, etc. Rafael did a nice job summarizing the advantages of a double, though I confess I have not done a standing relief maneuver in mine (yet!). I have owned two doubles, one a Folbot Greenland II and the other a Pygmy Osprey Double I built. Both worked well for my SO and me. I am a much stronger paddler, so the double allows us to meld our skills into a stronger unit than we would be in two singles, by judicious choice of paddle blade size and shaft length.. This is an advantage Rafael did not mention, though I am sure he knows of it. Doug's comment, in the context of use of a double by two __weaker__ paddlers, is pertinent, though: two flooded cockpits in one boat amounts to a lot of water to remove as part of self-rescue. My SO and I did self-rescue practice with our doubles, and felt re-entry was a lot easier than in separate singles, because the in-the-water paddler serves as an outrigger for the entering paddler. Then, the paddler inside the boat can use a paddlefloat on his/her paddle to stabilize the boat while the second paddler re-enters. As the rescue proceeds, the paddlers can take turns dealing with the water while the other stabilizes the boat. But, bailing and pumping (our boats are open between cockpits; the Pygmy is bulkheaded fore and aft of the paddlers, but not in the center) was exhausting! The weaker paddlers who stimulated Doug's remarks would be really wiped out if they had to bail their double (it is the one I made). That negates some of the safety advantages of a double, and in an insidious way: weaker paddlers like my buddies are likely take a double into conditions where they would not take separate singles. But, if they swamp or capsize ... then they are in deeper trouble, once inside the boat, than they would be in separate singles. The total volume of water to be removed from two swamped singles (both bulkheaded) is smaller. Tradeoffs ... tradeoffs. I wonder how much rescue practice outfitters (those who use doubles exclusively for clients) do before launching, and what techniques they might have developed which would make rescuing a swamped double easier and simpler. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 17:25, Rafael Mier Maza wrote: > > > > > >A double is good. But dump a double in rough water and, well, you know...two > >water-logged cockpits for the price of one. > > My short experience with doubles has forced me to think that they can be > very nice reliable boats that can take easier rough conditions that singles > would have difficulties with. > > For some reason doubles are not very popular but my finding has been. (of > course it depends on the type of boat you use). > > 1.- In rough surf in Padre Island in 2002 my partner and I could go out and > back many times. We capsized on the first attempt but after we synchronized > ourselves we repeatedly crossed the breakers and came back, doing some > heavy braces at times, but had a blast picking up 4 - 5 foot waves and > running in to shore. > > 2.- Rescuing ourselves in doubles is much easier than in singles. I have > done rescues in the surf zone. One paddler holds the boat while the other > climbs, and he can pump his side for better balance or brace while the > other climbs up. Another method has been like this. I have left the other > paddle on one side and filled my paddle float and made a reentry and roll > and kept the float as an outrigger while the other boater climbs up and we > both pump out water. > > 3.- Rolling the double works very well with two 80% efficient rollers. One > paddler hits the boat under the water two times and both roll at the time > of the third hit. We have done it many times with good results. My friend > Juan Luis rolls the double by himself without paddlefloat. I can roll it > sometimes, but I can roll it always with a paddle float. > > In the model we have tried, the front and back paddler are separated so > that they are closer to bow and stern and turning is so, so easy, because > the front paddler only makes half sweep stroke, from bow to middle and the > back paddler sweeps from middle to stern. 8 strokes suffice to do a full > 360 degrees turn. Of course edging the boat helps a lot and since it is > wide at the center, the edging works very well. > > Our friends Arthur Hebert and Larry Koenig paddled a double in one good > piece of their www.lacostadelgolfo.com circumnavigation, from > Chachalacas Veracruz to Chiltepec Tabasco in all kinds of water conditions. > Their comments are very encouraging. > > If I was to do a rough crossing I feel more inclined to use my double with > a friend that can paddle more or less at my pace, than with the single. > Bracing, side strokes, turning, etc are done in the same way. > > Other advantages. > > One can take pictures. One can prepare lunch. One can rest or pee (it is > always good to take into consideration wind direction for the sake of the > other). One can swim to refresh himself, etc. > > Best Regards, > > Rafael > el cayucochief > www.mayanseas.com I have debated answering this, as I think you are refering to "touring" models. But I bring forth this for your consideration, or entertainment whichever. I have used large doubles for over 30 years. Mostly SOF Kleppers/Folbots and other handcrafted boats. Of the major trips we have taken Mississippi Missouri Yukon Amazon {aborted two weeks into trip civil unrest} Mystic Seaport to Jacksonville We have flipped our skin boats 4 times, all had masts and sails up On larger expedition boats , one must be braced securely in cockpit to even attempt to get them back up. Lucky we use a mast floation cell on upper mast {to prevent a turtle} Its no easy chore, and yes we have practiced without mast with spray covers on... On the type of trips/crossings we do its a must to be able to self rescue your own boat/crew.. Our last dump was on a crossing from Flamingo to the Dry Tortugas 25 miles out.. We could not roll it back up even though mast was down and stored. Without a exit of the boat. There was two of us on that trip. But was easy once out. Doubles are more seaworthy in rough seas, there is no doubt on that Would we try long trips in two singles? No We would not as we feel safer in the large boats, even though sometimes we go solo.A single will not carry the supplies needed for a extended trip. In my view, its all in what you train for... and practice Even in a standard double, it takes practice practice for you and your partner to master a double roll over..You have to fully know your partner.And a calm head at sea prevails Now thats the thoughts of me in the larger boats I prefer. I.e payload ability and duration to stay extended days/months. Authur/Larry Trip. Im rather sorry they decided to abort trip in the most important leg. Mex to Cubian coast to Tortugas to Key West. This was the important open water crossing to be considered a circumnavigation. Im surew the sponsors are not happy. They are to complete the trip at a later day from point of abort. But it will not hold the record books for a ONE TRIP event. Im interested in their final report on the Nigel Kayaks. There are rumors another team are going to try the complete trip in 2004 non sponsored W *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 03:08 p.m. 11/06/03 +0100, Windwalker wrote: >Authur/Larry Trip. > >Im rather sorry they decided to abort trip in the most important leg. >Mex to Cubian coast to Tortugas to Key West. >This was the important open water crossing to be considered a >circumnavigation. Im surew the sponsors are not happy. >They are to complete the trip at a later day from point of abort. >But it will not hold the record books for a ONE TRIP event. >Im interested in their final report on the Nigel Kayaks. >There are rumors another team are going to try the complete trip in 2004 >non sponsored >W Hi W. Interesting comments about your experience with doubles. Regarding Arhtur´s and Larry trip around the Gulf of Mexico and the fact that they are not doing the crossing is beyond my area of knowledge. But there is a very interesting statement regarding that they are not doing the most important leg, which is the open water crossing. I find it so amazing how the same situation leads to different perceptions. I would have thought that the open waters crossing was the less interesting section. If the point of view is the paddling challenge, then the statement is correct. If the point of view is the knowledge of other cultures, way of living of people in the coasts, reaching places that you can not reach by car to meet the local people, learn about the fauna, etc. then the open crossing is void of all that. At this stage A and L have done a lot of paddling, proven their skills and abilities, handled a double for three weeks while their Nigel boats were repaired in Queretaro from some leaking in the stern. They are more ready than ever to do the crossing if that would be their interest. I suspect their interest is more on the cultural side than the paddling record, but again this is only a personal opinion. We would have to ask them. Best Regards, Rafael www.mayanseas.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 20:48, Rafael Mier Maza wrote: > At 03:08 p.m. 11/06/03 +0100, Windwalker wrote: > >Authur/Larry Trip. > > > >Im rather sorry they decided to abort trip in the most important leg. > >Mex to Cubian coast to Tortugas to Key West. > >This was the important open water crossing to be considered a > >circumnavigation. Im surew the sponsors are not happy. > >They are to complete the trip at a later day from point of abort. > >But it will not hold the record books for a ONE TRIP event. > >Im interested in their final report on the Nigel Kayaks. > >There are rumors another team are going to try the complete trip in 2004 > >non sponsored > >W > > > > Hi W. > > Interesting comments about your experience with doubles. > Regarding Arhtur´s and Larry trip around the Gulf of Mexico and the fact > that they are not doing the crossing is beyond my area of knowledge. But > there is a very interesting statement regarding that they are not doing the > most important leg, which is the open water crossing. > > I find it so amazing how the same situation leads to different perceptions. > I would have thought that the open waters crossing was the less interesting > section. The complete circumnavigation has never been done. The open water crossing would be the challenge of skills and seamanship indeed. Might have been their best choice to abort, as its hurricane season and tropicals do pop up. Daily Thunderstorms plague the region this time of year Most noted from the Tortugas to the Keys and Flamingo My guess is they are just worn out. W *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Brad said: >Weak paddlers with decent judgement wanting to paddle open waters in the middle of nowhere sounds like a big fat contradiction in terms. Also sounds like potential trouble. What if the wind suddenly blows in the wrong direction, say towards Okinawa?.< The current would eventually dump them back on the island. Ahh, everybody eventually returns to Vancouver Island :-) As far as appropriate advise, all one can do is give entry level paddlers good objective information and explain your rational for either recommending or not recommending a particular trip. There will always be reservations, even for paddling Puget Sound. I've been to South Brooks enough times over 20 years to know it can be very calm in their during July and August especially, stinking hot -- and full of kayakers, canoeists, and zodiac boaters. The biggest challenge is finding camping spots. That's why I tend to avoid the area now, except to blow by in transit when heading north or south. >From Clerk Point to Jackobson is basically a write off -- too much rocky foreshore, no camping. Jackobson Point is utterly wonderful, with sweeping beaches and ideal camping. Just be prepared for lots of man-made seasonal furniture and log structures. Not sure if that is due to locals, visitors, or the crew from Spring Island. I'll still take North Brooks to Cape Scott any day for challenging, pristine seascape and solitude (solotude, as I call it). You can also do a fair bit of hiking along the eastern Brooks shoreline. My 1982 guide book says this area is "never crowded." Hah. Not these days. One paddler reported a wedding taking place around there recently. The Nasparti Inlet and Johnson Lagoon area are interesting I suppose. Reversing tidal falls further up, with ducks n' geese here and there. A canoe is ideal up here. Bears tend to be a bit undeterred by humans. A water taxi trip from Fair Harbour to a drop off at Johnson Lagoon would be a great trip in terms off a paddle back for a group big enough to split the cost to a reasonable amount. I guess Acous Peninsula is definitely worth a full visit, with sea mammal rookeries off the coast, lots of First Nation evidence, and some awesome beaches and streams with evening and morning sun. Some idiots still can't seem to keep their paws of the artifacts in the general vicinity. Sad but true. This is one area I perhaps blow by too quickly, but I'm usually in a hurry to get to Kyuquot Village for a burger, then on to the Barrier Islands where the reef's churn the water and my crank. Bunsby Islands are great in the shoulder season, but that's no time for novices. Paddled earlier in the morning, there are usually no problems. It's dead flat calm in behind them, up against Vancouver Island. While the area is perhaps a bit more than a "day trip," it is generally considered a good area for paddlers with moderate kayaking skills. Other than the 5 to 6 mile open section previously discussed, Kyuquot Sound is generally considered relatively sheltered. I'd say this area best suits paddlers bent on fishing, photography, and wildlife viewing; and paddlers who like to take their time soaking up an area, just relaxing, journaling, reading, rejuvenating, and being mellow. Perhaps I'll have to try that sometime. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks to all responders. The authority of out-of-town experts is more weighty than mine, for sure. The twosome is reconsidering options. When I hear from them about their adventures, I'll let the throng in on how it all turned out. I think mid-August is their plan. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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