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From: Robert MacDonald <RMacDonald_at_udl.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Garbage Bags as Shelter
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:02:27 -0800
Black bags would absorb any sunshine that might happen to be around, but generally, weather conditions where hypothermia is most likely to occur aren't noted for being bright, sunny days.  And a black body radiator works both ways - both as an absorber (good for the cold person inside) and as a radiator (not good at all!).

I have heard big orange bags being recommended, as they can do double duty as windproof vapour-barrier raingear and as a means of signalling.  

Rob.
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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Garbage Bags as Shelter
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:56:17 -0500
> I have heard big orange bags being recommended, as they can do double
duty
> as windproof vapour-barrier raingear and as a means of signalling.

Depending on where you live, the highway department has very large, very
heavy duty orange bags.  Very tough.  I persuaded a VDOT (Virginia Dept
of Transportation) friend to take a break from leaning on his shovel and
bring me one.

In his usual humorous way, he lamented that those bags weren't good for
crap, so in despair, he and his "shovel buddies" (all of which look like
ZZ Top originals) resorted to using them to stuff trash into when they
find it along the side of the road.  Anyway, they're tougher than
anything I've found for sale retail (the bags, that is).

Rick

PS - He keeps telling me that if I want a boat, he'll get me a boat, and
I can stop trying to get around the Bay in a hollowed out cigar.  His
theory - if you can't stand up and pee off the bow, it ain't a real
boat.
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Garbage Bags as Shelter
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:26:38 -0800
> His
> theory - if you can't stand up and pee off the bow, it ain't a real
> boat.
>

He is right.  Nothing is more important than that.  Anyway, I could do this
and other exercices requred standing up - like changing clothes, - with
outriggers in place.  It is hard to believe how much stability can provide
6-ft tube with float at the end.  Very important factor is wind direction
(less important for changing clothes, of course).
Alex.
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Garbage Bags as Shelter
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:50:47 -0500
This summer I spent a lot of time canoeing on Lake Superior in a forty 
foot outrigger.  It is amazing!

Cheers,
Richard Culpeper

alex wrote:

>He is right.  Nothing is more important than that.  Anyway, I could do this and other exercices requred standing up - like changing clothes, - with
>outriggers in place.  It is hard to believe how much stability can provide
>6-ft tube with float at the end.
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From: Jochen Grikschat <grikschat_at_web.de>
subject: [Paddlewise] Re: [Paddlewise] Garbage Bags as Shelter - TPA“s
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:04:16 +0100
> I have heard big orange bags being recommended, as they can do double duty
as windproof vapour-barrier raingear and as a means of signalling.

It was me bringing up the request about orange bodyheat-saving-bags a few
weeks ago.
Till now I carry a Coghlan4s orange PE bag. Last week I taped a gold/silver
emergency foil inside the bag, so its now ideal for me.
In my origin post few weeks ago, I asked for experience with TPA4s - Thermal
Protection Aids. This are a kind of bivouac bag, protecting the whole body,
signal coloured and made for shipwrecked persons. Google with TPA thermal
protective aid and find several sources. Most TPA4s cost around 30 USD and
weight 3-500grams.
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