G'Day, The following is a question about the validity of a warning about some plastic water bottles. Theres an informal email doing the rounds in Australia at the moment from an OH&S group. It warns against reusing water bottles made from polyethylene terephthalate or PET saying the plastic bottle also contains a carcinogen called diethylhydroxylamine or DEHA, which might leach out with repeated washing so that the bottles are safe for one-time use only. I have no idea if this is reliable information. If it is then surely there should be warnings on such bottles against reusing them. Has anyone come across such a warning before? Does anyone know if there is a reasonable basis for this warning or know of a reputable organiisation which could provide further information? All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
PeterO wrote: > > Theres an informal email doing the rounds in Australia at the moment from an > OH&S group. It warns against reusing water bottles made from polyethylene > terephthalate or PET saying the plastic bottle also contains a carcinogen > called diethylhydroxylamine or DEHA, which might leach out with repeated > washing so that the bottles are safe for one-time use only. > I would guess this warning was issued by one of the producers of commercial water bottles that sell for 15 dollars or more. I abandoned their products four years ago. The PET bottles you get free with your soft drink are lighter and close better then the expensive bottles. Especially for the bottles you keep on your deck and loose to the seagods every once in a while, PET bottles do fine. As for the warning: PET bottles probably have a shorter lifespan then aluminium ones. Replace them every once in a while, make sure you carry more then one, and don't put them in the same drybag as your sleepingbag. (NEVER put a waterbottle in a drybag!) and you'll be fine. Niels. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Niels, On Sunday, November 02, 2003, at 3:45:04 AM PDT, you wrote: > I would guess this warning was issued by one of the producers of > commercial water bottles that sell for 15 dollars or more. I > abandoned their products four years ago. The PET bottles you get > free with your soft drink are lighter and close better then the > expensive bottles. Especially for the bottles you keep on your deck > and loose to the seagods every once in a while, PET bottles do fine. On the other hand, I think I'm getting my money's worth from a couple of Naglene bottles I've used constantly for the past almost seven years. While I appreciate that soda bottles can be recycled (and they should be!), I also appreciate even more the idea of using totally reusable items when possible. By the way... my "expensive bottles" have never had any problems with closing properly, so I'm not sure where you get that impression (if, that is, you were referring to the same type of bottle I'm using). I have lengths of bungie attached to my Naglene bottles, so whether they're in the cockpit or on deck, I keep them tied down. Never lost one yet! :-) -- Melissa *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Melissa wrote: "I think I'm getting my money's worth from a couple of Naglene bottles I've used constantly for the past almost seven years." I second the Nalgene bottle idea, for several reasons: one, if you spend a some money on a good piece of gear you are more likely to value it and treat it well. and tether it etc. to keep it around, rather than allow the bottles to go adrift. We don't need more stuff floating around where we paddle. Two, they are practically indestructable. I've seen a full one dropped from 40 feet up onto rock and the bottle didn't break. So they will have your water in them when you need the water, regardless of how rough the seas get or how hard the landing. Oh, and if you get the wide mouth style, you can screw a water purifier directly on the bottle. Another good reason for the wide mouth is you can use it as dry storage if that's a bigger problem than water for the begining of a trip. Cheers, Carey *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Oh, and if you get the wide mouth style, you can screw a water purifier > directly on the bottle. Another good reason for the wide mouth is you can > use it as dry storage if that's a bigger problem than water for the begining > of a trip. Nalgenes also make a great container for a first aid kit. Geoff *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Aluminum flask has some more advantages (in addition to being undestructible): you can pour a hot water in it, - like leftovers of tea or boiled water. Tea without sugar is better thirst-quencher than fresh water, plus acts like tonic due to cafeine. Besides, I don't like wasting boiled water being far from freshwater source, or wasting time waiting until it cools down. Most of them come with insulating cover - good thing when water is hot. I prefer those with flat bottom, that can stand upright. Fabric cover usually has something to attach it to your PFD or bungey cords. Prices are very moderate. I only can't understand why do they put plastic cups on aluminum flasks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carey Parks" <cparks_at_fuse.net> Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Reported hazard with old water bottles - True or False? > Melissa wrote: > "I think I'm getting my money's worth from a couple > of Naglene bottles I've used constantly for the past almost seven > years." > > I second the Nalgene bottle idea, for several reasons: one, if you spend a > some money on a good piece of gear you are more likely to value it and treat > it well. and tether it etc. to keep it around, rather than allow the bottles > to go adrift. We don't need more stuff floating around where we paddle. Two, > they are practically indestructable. I've seen a full one dropped from 40 > feet up onto rock and the bottle didn't break. So they will have your water > in them when you need the water, regardless of how rough the seas get or how > hard the landing. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
According to snopes.com this is yet another unfounded urban legend. You can read about it at; http://www.snopes.com/toxins/bottles.asp Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Scott <KiAyker_at_aol.com> wrote: > According to snopes.com this is yet another unfounded urban legend. You >can read about it at; http://www.snopes.com/toxins/bottles.asp Here is the abstract of the MS thesis study that started it all: http://www.riskworld.com/Abstract/2001/SRAam01/ab01aa189.htm Here are the results of a study that attempted to replicate the results: http://www.irc.nl/source/item.php/2181 Brian *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
:-) so do any plastic jars 0.5-0.75 L, like those after honey or peanut butter. Good waterproof container for anything fragile or sharp, like repair kit etc. Alex. ----- > > Nalgenes also make a great container for a first aid kit. > > Geoff *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A friend of mine uses a peanut butter jar for a roll of toilet paper.... K *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> A friend of mine uses a peanut butter jar for a roll of toilet paper.... Gee, I'd go for something a little more absorbent. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Keith Wrage" <keith.wrage_at_charter.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Reported hazard with old water bottles - True or False? > A friend of mine uses a peanut butter jar for a roll of toilet paper.... An outdated technology :-). That's what I have learned from "Magic Bus" webpage http://www.magic-bus.com/oldsite.html: " If you are traveling by bus. Take a day pack! Put a roll of toilet paper in a Zip lock freezer bag, sit on it to get most of the air out, put it in your pack. ". Only put it in a drybag instead of a daypack - preferably small drybag, like that with flms, book and other spiritual things :-) - and where it is easier to find. It becomes flat and compact in a ziplock, handy to put in a pocket when going somewhere. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Even better. Pull the core from a partially used roll. Pull out the end of the paper from the center. It will then fit into a sandwich size zip lock bag. To use, leave the roll in the bag, pull what you need out of the center. By keeping the roll in the bag it stays dry and clean. Of course now you need a second zip lock for the used paper. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> [Original Message] > ... Another good reason for the wide mouth is you can > use it as dry storage if that's a bigger problem than water for the begining > of a trip. > Cliff Jacobson wrote somewhere that his favorite bottles for trips were used-up containers for IV fluids from hospitals, if he could cadge them. The plastic was absatively guaranteed not to leach contaminants into what it contained, and the plastic would last for a long, long time. Recently I've been trying out the milk containers in common use by some of the local dairies. This too is very strong plastic, and the cap has a sort of triple thread so it only takes 1/2 - 3/4 turn to open it -- yet it remains watertight. Good also for dry storage for smaller stuff on trips, e.g. oatmeal or rice. The square rather than round shape means some convenience in packing things, and it won't roll around in the boat... Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Joseph Pylka" <jpylka_at_earthlink.net> wrote: >> Recently I've been trying out the milk containers in common use by some of the local dairies. This too is very strong plastic, and the cap has a sort of triple thread so it only takes 1/2 - 3/4 turn to open it -- yet it remains watertight. Good also for dry storage for smaller stuff on trips, e.g. oatmeal or rice. The square rather than round shape means some convenience in packing things, and it won't roll around in the boat...>> Joe, what size are these? Sounds like a good thing, but I don't recall anything but the gallon-size milk jugs. I've had mixed experience with those. The triple thread failed on me a couple times, so when I use them I wrap the cap/jug seam with electrical tape. No leaks that way ... yet! I'm thinking you are referring to something different. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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