In a message dated 2/5/2004 11:45:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au writes: > The Klepper Aerius single is simple to roll if it can be set up with feet > against one of the cross ribs and knees locked under the coaming. Under > these circumstances the boat almost rolls itself when loaded. Of course > tipping it over in the first place can be difficult as I found out when > challenged recently to demonstrate a roll in a Klepper after about two years > of not paddling one. I find the Klepper considerably easier than for example > the Kahuna and certainly no more difficult than most hard shells. It is a > question of getting it set up so that your knees can lock under the coaming. > Sorry!  I wasn't thinking of the Aerius I when I wrote that.  The fellow had said that he owned an Aerius II and that is what I was referring to.  I should have been more precise.  I have never heard of an Aerius II being rolled solo, have you? Tony Niilus *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Niilus wrote: - >I have never heard of an Aerius II >being rolled solo, have you? G'Day Niilus and Paddlewise, Not until a few minutes ago when Ralph mentioned one had been rolled. "chrstjrn" said he might buy a single so thought it was worth mentioning the Aerius 1. Don't know if a combat roll in a Klepper Aerius 1 would work, particularly after hearing Dave's description of the kind of seas that would knock a Klepper over. The times I've accidentally come out were while trying to surf and before knowing how to roll. The reason I wonder if a combat roll might work is that Pawlatta rolling a Klepper seems to be very little different to rolling a hardshell provided one is knee braced. I have an average but reliable roll, hence the claim that rolling a Klepper need not be hard provided it can be set up for a knee brace. When trying to roll, unless one were locked in one would surely fall out as you describe. I often paddle locked in with feet against a cross rib and knees under the coaming when the water is a bit rough or when taking advantage of the Kleppers manoeuverability. During a Pawlatta roll, the same as for a hardshell not too fast or slow, one gets to the point where the internal sponsons come into play and the boat seems to take over and finish the roll. The reason the Kahuna was difficult is because it hasn't been fitted out to make the knee bracing comfortable. No fittings were necessary for the Klepper. Could be that I'm an odd shape! All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I haven't been following the topic up until now, only want to add that Feathercraft Kahuna, I think, needs fittings more than Kleppers, even for straight paddling; not to mention rolling. Kahuna has fewer ribs than Klepper, and no footpegs, unless you install rudder pedals (which are rather poor footpegs). Feathercraft provides optional hip fits and inflatable thigh braces, costly and designed for K1; I don't know if they can be used on Kahuna. Btw, if Ralph reads this ;-), Kahuna is in fact amenable to a sail, contrary to what Ralph says in 2003 edition of his book. One version was installed on Kahuna by Mark Balogh in 2002; another version has been installed by me in 2003, i.e. after Ralph's book had been already printed. My version was slightly modified aft rig design installed by Tony Niilus on K1 in 2000 or 2001 and described on his website in 2002. Both versions are, of course, not rollable due to outriggers. > >I have never heard of an Aerius II > >being rolled solo, have you? > > G'Day Niilus and Paddlewise, > > Not until a few minutes ago when Ralph mentioned one had been rolled. > "chrstjrn" said he might buy a single so thought it was worth mentioning the > Aerius 1. > > The reason the Kahuna was difficult is because it hasn't been fitted out to > make the knee bracing comfortable. No fittings were necessary for the > Klepper. Could be that I'm an odd shape! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Alex Wrote: >>>Kahuna has fewer ribs than Klepper, and no footpegs, unless you install rudder pedals (which are rather poor footpegs). My Kahuna came standard with the same adjustable footpegs as the K-Light. They also serve as the rudder petals by not tightening them down. Mine is an older boat, so perhaps something has changed. I agree, they aren't very good footpegs, but mainly because they aren't very comfortable, and sometimes rotate out of position. Still, a nice kayak overall. On my homebuilt folders, I position a cross section so that it also serves as the footbrace. A folder , if designed and sized the same as any other performance kayak, rolls just as well . Tom *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> My Kahuna came standard with the same adjustable footpegs as the K-Light. > They also serve as the rudder petals by not tightening them down. Mine is an > older boat, so perhaps something has changed. > I agree, they aren't very good footpegs, but mainly because they aren't very > comfortable, and sometimes rotate out of position. Still, a nice kayak > overall. On my homebuilt folders, I position a cross section so that it also > serves as the footbrace. Of course, rudder pedals can be used as footpegs, so-so. (Haven't seen designated footpegs for Kahuna). I had to wrap a piece of closed-cell foam around those pedals to create more foot support. Incidentally this also helped to stop them from rotating all the way down, due to increased thickness. A sort of el-chipo version of Yakpadz (considered buying them, but they are said to corrode in sea water due to some regular-quality steel parts). Overall kayak (Kahuna) is OK, rudder control seems to be one of its very few unresolved problems. Its packed weight and size were the reasons why I have chosen it over Klepper, having in mind those airline restrictions that Ralph has mentioned. I think size restrictions (158 cm total of 3 dimensions per each of 2 bags) didn't allow transporting Klepper AE1 (without any sail rig) even before 9/11, not to mention AE2 - unless passenger would pay extra charge for each bag. Airlines just were more lenient prior to 9/11. Weight restrictions did change in the last couple of years, unfortunately. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "PeterO" <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au> > you describe. I often paddle locked in with feet against a cross rib and > knees under the coaming when the water is a bit rough or when taking > advantage of the Kleppers manoeuverability. During a Pawlatta roll, the same > as for a hardshell not too fast or slow, one gets to the point where the > internal sponsons come into play and the boat seems to take over and finish > the roll. > > The reason the Kahuna was difficult is because it hasn't been fitted out to > make the knee bracing comfortable. No fittings were necessary for the > Klepper. Could be that I'm an odd shape! The interesting thing about the Klepper single is that while has what is termed an open cockpit (that has to be spanned by a spray deck to which then attaches a sprayskirt, albeit there are one piece setups as well) the crossrib nearest ones thighs and knees curves quite sharply inward. When I owned and paddled a single Klepper for many years, I found that I could very snuggly brace myself under the crossrib with my lower thighs and knees. That crossrib is made of smooth rounded wood with no sharp edges and so is quite comfortable even against bare legs. While I never tried it, I felt so tightly in the boat that if some strong friends would have picked up the ends of the boat and turned me and it upside down I would not have fallen out. So it is certainly a good enough rolling setup. ralph diaz-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 1365, Highland, NY 12528 Tel: 845-255-7742; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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