While wandering through a marine shop a while back, out of the corner of my eye I saw one of these on a shelf: <http://www.fox40whistle.com/consumer/OrderProduct.aspx?ProductNo=162> At first I thought it was a Nerf football (the kind with the fins on the back). It is a throw line, with the line stored inside the body of the thing. It struck me that it could be thrown like a football (American, not soccer). I'm no Heisman contender, but a football is pretty easy to throw with some accuracy and distance compared to a floppy throw bag. Of course, it's one thing to imagine this and another to do it. The handle on the front end could really mess up a throw and, if wet, it might be difficult to grip and get a good spin/throw. Anyone try one of these? Can you throw it like a football with any success? Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> [Original Message] > From: Michael Daly > To: <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> > <http://www.fox40whistle.com/consumer/OrderProduct.aspx?ProductNo=162> > > It is a throw line, with the line stored inside the body of the thing. > Anyone try one of these? Can you throw it like a football with any > success? I think I would have serious reservations about this item. I paddle moving and whitewater as well as quietwater and this isn't a practical configuration for such conditions. Fifty feet is just too short for many rescue applications. The webpage does not mention the thickness of the rope but judging from its rated strength, and the photograph, it is too thin and probably couldn't be held readily in cold conditions and I suspect it slips easily -- but at least it floats. It probably pays out nicely but how on earth do you get the line back in? It looks like one of those things designed by someone who doesn't understand all the functions of what he's working on. One gets the impression that the writer thinks that the goal is to get that big yellow thing into the hands of the victim. I think I'd pass on this item.... Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 19 Mar 2004 at 1:08, Joseph Pylka wrote: > I think I would have serious reservations about this item. I paddle > moving and whitewater as well as quietwater and this isn't a practical > configuration for such conditions. Fifty feet is just too short for > many rescue applications. I wouldn't consider it for swiftwater rescue, but for sea kayaking - CG requires a fifty foot throw line at all times in Canada. > It probably pays out nicely but how on earth do you get the line back > in? For a quick second throw - you wouldn't. Otherwise it gets stuffed back in the little hole it comes out. I'd imagine it would take more time to re-stuff than a standard throwbag. As far as the light line - I was looking at the assortment of sea kayak and flatwater canoe throwbags at MEC a couple of days ago and the Spectra versions were at most 1/4 inch diameter - not good for grip. Even the braided polypro were maybe 3/8 inch. Heavy line doesn't seem to be a consideration in flatwater throwbags. These were Northwater and Serratus/MEC designs. I think the Fox 40 would be a reasonable option for some. If I were to design it, I'd get rid of the plastic handle on one end and just run the line through and make a loop with plastic tubing over the rope - more flexible and easy to grip or clip. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mike Daly said: > I wouldn't consider it for swiftwater rescue, but for sea kayaking - > CG requires a fifty foot throw line at all times in Canada. > Mike, Why not just carry something to satisfy the Canadian CG regs and really use a tow line. Assuming you could hit another seakayaker with the throw line, what's he supposed to do with it? He can't reach his bow to attach it. And trying to tow him from the middle of his boat won't work real well either. IMHO, a 50 foot floating tow line, with a carabineer on the end so that you can hook it up to him will be much more useful - except I won't satisfy your CG's requirements. Steve Holtzman Southern CA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 19 Mar 2004 at 8:35, Steve Holtzman wrote: > IMHO, a 50 foot floating tow line, with a carabineer on the end so > that you can hook it up to him will be much more useful - except I > won't satisfy your CG's requirements. I don't see why not. As long as you can throw it, whether it's used for towing or for rescue it's still 50ft long. That's the only requirement of the regs - 50ft, floating and throwable. Some folks meet the requirements by carrying 50 ft of three-strand junk polypro - the hardware store stuff with a 100 lb rating! Once "coiled" it keeps its shape and is almost useless. But legal! Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> CG requires a fifty foot throw line at all times in Canada. Does anyone know if there is a similar requirement in the States? If so, is it across the country, or State specific, or what? I may be breaking some regulations. I only carry a tow bag when I'm not solo, and if I'm not camping and paddling in inhabited areas, I usually don't have any rope with me at all. Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Quoting Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com: > > CG requires a fifty foot throw line at all times in Canada. > > Does anyone know if there is a similar requirement in the States? If > so, is it across the country, or State specific, or what? > AFAIK, this is strictly a Canadian Coast Guard regulation, and not a very intelligent one for sea kayaks. You just can't throw very far from a seated position. Since I paddle occasionally on the Canadian side of Lake Superior, I tried throwing a WW throw bag from my kayak, but couldn't get it more than about 25 feet. It's much quicker and easier to just paddle over to the victim. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Rick said: > > CG requires a fifty foot throw line at all times in Canada. > > Does anyone know if there is a similar requirement in the > States? If so, is it across the country, or State specific, or what? > > I may be breaking some regulations. I only carry a tow bag > when I'm not solo, and if I'm not camping and paddling in > inhabited areas, I usually don't have any rope with me at all. There is no USCG requirement to carry a throw bag. It's a good requirement for ww paddlers, but IMHO it's wasted for sea kayakers. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mike: I have never seen this before. While it is a nifty ideal from a throwing perspective, I noticed that the strength of the line is only rated to 900 lbs. The throwbag I use has rope rated to 2,500 lbs. Sean *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 19 Mar 2004 at 12:55, Sean Peterson wrote: > I have never seen this before. While it is a nifty ideal from a > throwing perspective, I noticed that the strength of the line is only > rated to 900 lbs. The throwbag I use has rope rated to 2,500 lbs. The last time I checked, WW safety lines were expected to meet 1100lb rating. Ditto rescue belts on PFDs. Tow belts on sea kayak PFDs are rarely rated at 1100lb - I think mine is around 600. My WW PFD has a two inch belt, the SK's is only 1.5 inch. I can't see any need for anything stronger in SK. Many of us are still trying to find a meaninful use for the rescue lines under CG regs. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
One thing bugs me about this throw line. I would be afraid to be on the receiving end of this thing, hard plastic and my head, no thanks. I guess the floppy old throw-bag is floppy for a reason? how does it wrap up afterwards? cheers sno Snorri Gunnarsson snogun_at_internet.is http://www.internet.is/snogun On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:01 PM, Michael Daly wrote: While wandering through a marine shop a while back, out of the corner of my eye I saw one of these on a shelf: <http://www.fox40whistle.com/consumer/ OrderProduct.aspx?ProductNo=162> ------------------------------------------------------- ^etta skeyti er sent mep vefposti isl.is *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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