>>>>From: Joshua Teitelbaum <teitelba_at_post.tau.ac.il> Subject: [Paddlewise] Improving the Forward Stroke [was: Real life rolling] <snip> 5. PUSH-PULL. True, in the beginning, we always teach that the top hand pushes and the lower hand only guides. That is good for teaching beginners, because it is less tiring. But I believe now that one should divide the force between about 70% pushing with the top hand and 30% pulling with the lower hand. This proportion may vary.<<<< The part about this advice (and especially the advice given to beginners to regard the pulling hand as being mostly for guidance) that is not clear to me (I'm not suggesting it's incorrect) is that as you fully extend your "pushing arm", you're creating a more acute angle (viewed from directly overhead) with respect to your direction of travel and thus some of your power will also be directed at an angle and wasted. Perhaps this is inevitable, given the shape of the human body. I like to vary my paddling style while touring (to work different muscles) and have experimented with the technique of not pushing at all with my "pushing" arm (and even pulling with both arms simultaneously, even though it doesn't fit into a rhythm very well), and felt it actually generated more thrust per unit of muscle energy, although it would obviously fatigue your "pulling" arm significantly more to do this style all day. Is this heresy? Evan Dallas Woodinville, Washington *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi all (again) Sorry to throw in a few pedantic things, but if I may. My job amongst other things involves maintaining accident and injury statistics for paddling as well as liaising with sports doctors and physiotherapists specifically in regard to paddling injuries. PUSH-PULL is bad - All the things you have heard about the shoulder and its instability are probably true. The best way to keep it stable (and thus keep your self from injury) is to use it as a relatively fixed point. This page details a safe forward stroke http://www.canoe.org.au/canoe-education/faqbrief6.htm This page answers some of the usual questions in regard to the stroke http://www.canoe.org.au/canoe-education/faqbrief7.htm Buy for now Ian -----Original Message----- From: Evan Dallas Subject: [Paddlewise] Improving the Forward Stroke >>>>From: Joshua Teitelbaum <teitelba_at_post.tau.ac.il> Subject: [Paddlewise] Improving the Forward Stroke [was: Real life rolling] <snip> 5. PUSH-PULL. True, in the beginning, we always teach that the top hand pushes and the lower hand only guides. That is good for teaching beginners, because it is less tiring. But I believe now that one should divide the force between about 70% pushing with the top hand and 30% pulling with the lower hand. This proportion may vary.<<<< *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Ian, Would you check out these addresses again? Seem impossible to get. Is anyone else having this problem? I'm very interested to read the info on these sites! Tom At 07:36 AM 5/20/2004 +1000, Ian Dewey wrote: >This page details a safe forward stroke > >http://www.canoe.org.au/canoe-education/faqbrief6.htm > >This page answers some of the usual questions in regard to the stroke > >http://www.canoe.org.au/canoe-education/faqbrief7.htm > >Buy for now >Ian *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry we are offline for 24 hours - back tomorrow Ian -----Original Message----- From: TomL Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Improving the Forward Stroke Would you check out these addresses again? Seem impossible to get. Is anyone else having this problem? I'm very interested to read the info on these sites! Tom At 07:36 AM 5/20/2004 +1000, Ian Dewey wrote: >This page details a safe forward stroke > >http://www.canoe.org.au/canoe-education/faqbrief6.htm > >This page answers some of the usual questions in regard to the stroke > >http://www.canoe.org.au/canoe-education/faqbrief7.htm > >Buy for now *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry everyone - back on line please see This page details a safe forward stroke http://www.ac.bvit.com.au/default.asp?id=1795 And This page answers some of the usual questions in regard to the stroke http://www.ac.bvit.com.au/default.asp?id=1796 Regards Ian -----Original Message----- From: TomL Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Improving the Forward Stroke Hi Ian, Would you check out these addresses again? Seem impossible to get. Is anyone else having this problem? I'm very interested to read the info on these sites! Tom At 07:36 AM 5/20/2004 +1000, Ian Dewey wrote: >This page details a safe forward stroke > >http://www.canoe.org.au/canoe-education/faqbrief6.htm > >This page answers some of the usual questions in regard to the stroke > >http://www.canoe.org.au/canoe-education/faqbrief7.htm *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Not heresy, but in trying to imagine what you are saying, it seems to me incompatible with effective rotation. Clarify? > I like to vary my > paddlingstyle while touring (to work different muscles) and have > experimented with > the technique of not pushing at all with my "pushing" arm (and > even pulling > with both arms simultaneously, even though it doesn't fit into a > rhythm very > well), and felt it actually generated more thrust per unit of > muscle energy, > although it would obviously fatigue your "pulling" arm > significantly more to > do this style all day. Is this heresy? > > Evan Dallas *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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