Anyone have a suggestion regarding a bomb-proof lighter to carry in a bail out bag - or in a PFD? Would like something for normal camp use - but also to make sure I can make fire if absolutely needed. Obviously the old reliables like flint/steel and fire goo are the best backup. I was wondering about the two models by Brunton: http://www.brunton.com/catalog.php?item_id=34&subcategory_id=44&category_id=3&old_item_id=34&old_subcategory_id=44&old_category_id=3 http://www.brunton.com/catalog.php?item_id=248&subcategory_id=44&category_id=3&old_item_id=248&old_subcategory_id=44&old_category_id=3 (Sorry for the long URLs - hopefully you won't have to cut-n-paste them) The one with the LED light (2nd one) looks like a neat little package - but not sure if these units will stand up to this kind of abuse and possible immersion. What are others carrying in their PFDs for fire starters? Thanks, K *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Wrage" <keith.wrage_at_charter.net> I was > wondering about the two models by Brunton: Here are some reviews http://www.backcountrystore.com/store/BRU0003.html?AFC=CJDataFeed http://www.backcountrystore.com/store/BRU0042.html?AFC=CJDataFeed Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 8 Jun 2004 at 11:18, Keith Wrage wrote: > The one with the LED light (2nd one) looks like a neat little package > - but not sure if these units will stand up to this kind of abuse and > possible immersion. >From the MEC web site: "James Bond is aching for one of these tech little units. " I'd say it wins on looks! :-) > What are others carrying in their PFDs for fire starters? Strike-anywhere matches in a waterproof container. Lo-tech, but functional. The only problem is finding good quality strike-anywhere matches. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
the Brunton rocks. you CAN NOT blow the sucker out. you have to be quite careful with it as the flame is a mini blow torch. EZ to fill, regulate and mine's on it's 3rd year! steve Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe N 45: 36.285' 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr. W 122: 39.841' Portland, OR 97217 Web: www.aldercreek.com Phone: 503.285.0464 Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > What are others carrying in their PFDs for fire starters? > > Strike-anywhere matches in a waterproof container. Lo-tech, but > functional. The only problem is finding good quality strike-anywhere > matches. > > Mike > I have to confess that never attached much importance to this item (I know, this is wrong). Though, I carry wind-and-waterproof matches as a backup to piezo-ignitor of my propane stove (never had a chance to use them). These matches need their box to strike, I think. (and the box doesn't fit into small waterproof cylinder for matches). But this is what I've found in a canadian camping-automotive store after reading Michael's message: "Red Bird strike anywhere matches, product of USA", CDN 2.19 for two boxes (250 matches each). There is some sort of mesh on the sides of this box. Is it really something good, or there are better brands? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The problem with even waterproof matches is that they need a dry surface to strike on. As a backup to my Bics, I carry some of the waterproof matches sold under the Coghlan brand in the U.S., but I break the strike panels off the box, glue them back-to-back, and put them into a watertight film can along with the matches. Mostly, though, I use a Bic or equivalent. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 16 Jun 2004 at 19:44, alex wrote: > "Red Bird strike anywhere matches, product of USA", Interesting. All the Red Bird matches I've seen (and I bought some) were made in China. I typically go through about four or five before I get one to light. Eddy matches are much better, but almost impossible to find*. I got a bunch off someone on a trip a couple of years ago and he said you could get them "everywhere". I still haven't been to "everywhere", but if I ever do, I'm buying several boxes. Eddys are the type you can strike with the tip of your fingernail, your teeth, etc. Mike * "strike anywhere", that is. Eddy paper matches are readily available, as are their strike-on-the-box. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 17 Jun 2004 at 17:42, Michael Daly wrote: > On 16 Jun 2004 at 19:44, alex wrote: > > > "Red Bird strike anywhere matches, product of USA", > > Interesting. All the Red Bird matches I've seen (and I bought some) > were made in China. [...] Eddys are the type you can strike with the > tip of your fingernail, your teeth, etc. I was just packing for this weekend's kayak trip and found the Red Bird box of matches. In fine print on the back it says "Product of Eddy..."*. Oh, well. The "real" Eddy matches come in a box marked "EDDY" and have a big, symmetric spot of white on the tip. The Red Bird have a teensy bit of white stuff that looks like it was added as an afterthought. This bit of white is barely sufficient to cause a strike that lights and often breaks off. A backchannel message informs me that "real" EDDY matches are no longer made. Mike *It also says "Product of USA" as alex said. I coulda swore they were made in China - I guess US standards are slipping. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Try Dick Heads. The matches come from Australia and where one of the products of a company whose motto was, "If we Australians don't start making our own stuff we're real dick heads." Or something like that. Please I'm trying to be serious here. A friend from Oz sent me a box. Every time I struck one I'd smile and call out, "And here's another flaming Dick Head." They always worked. But alas I've run out of my flaming Dick Heads. Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Daly" <mikedaly_at_magma.ca> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: June 17, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] lighters > > "Red Bird strike anywhere matches, product of USA", > > Interesting. All the Red Bird matches I've seen (and I bought some) > were made in China. I typically go through about four or five before > I get one to light. Eddy matches are much better, but almost > impossible to find*. Yes, I forgot to mention, sorry: they were made by "Eddy Match". To complicate things further, some Ontario province addresss was shown there too (perhaps reselling or re-packaging company). The store is called "Canadian Tire" - ubiquitous chain-store that can be found every few blocks in Canada. Mostly (you are right), low-end Chinese products there, normally disguised under "imported by" (followed by some Canadian address), instead of "made in" or "the product of". *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (including headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] Jose: Mr Bic makes pretty good and cheap devices that work pretty well. hey go about a buck for three, so the double backup system is in force. -- From: "alex" <al.m_at_3web.net> > > > What are others carrying in their PFDs for fire starters? > > I have to confess that never attached much importance to this item (I know, > this is wrong). Though, I carry wind-and-waterproof matches as a backup to > piezo-ignitor of my propane stove (never had a chance to use them). These > matches need their box to strike, I think. (and the box doesn't fit into > small waterproof cylinder for matches). But this is what I've found in a > canadian camping-automotive store after reading Michael's message: > "Red Bird strike anywhere matches, product of USA", CDN 2.19 for two boxes > (250 matches each). There is some sort of mesh on the sides of this box. Is > it really something good, or there are better brands? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I know this device; (Bic and zillion of no-name analogues). Like it more than matches. Has nasty cog-wheel at the top, terrible with soft skin after paddling (this was the reason to get piezo-ignitor stove). Still carry one deep in a drybag. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Wilson" <cewilson_at_northnet.org> > Jose: > > Mr Bic makes pretty good and cheap devices that work pretty well. hey go > about a buck for three, so the double backup system is in force. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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