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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] There's Bombs in them there waters!
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:19:52 -0400
"Hey" P'wisers.  I haven't posted much in the last few months... I've been
having difficult times at work and at home.  But, something came up recently
that I just had to share with the group.



Do you remember Hurricane Isabel from last Fall?  Well, my hometown of
Poquoson, VA got hit hard.  Lots and lots of people still living in trailers,
fighting insurance, and so forth.  Clean-up and rebuilding continues.



Anyway, the Chesapeake Bay is HUGE.  We had hurricane winds from the east, and
lots of surge.  As all of us on this site know, that means that there were
lots of hydrology in action (is that the correct word for various water
dynamics?).  Anyway, just recently, after > of a year, the Wildlife Refuge
managers - did a hurricane damage assessment/inspection of the east side of
Poquoson, which is Plum Tree Island NWR, and is accessible by water only.
Decades ago, Plum Tree was a strafing and bombing range for nearby Langley Air
Force Base, and perhaps the Nay Base in Norfolk.  Guess what, in a single
morning, they discovered over 40 unexploded ordinance in the shallows and/or
the beach and marsh.  Shallow here means mud flat at low tide, and only a few
feet of water at high tide.  Our tidal change is only about 3.5 feet.  The
area has obviously been changed by the hurricane, and lots of buried stuff has
surfaced and been uncovered.



Anyway, the entire area is closed until July of 2005 for "clearing of
ordinance".  Around here, that means expect it to be July of 2006 before they
finish.



First.... DAMN!!!!  That's my back yard and usual paddling spot, and now I
can't go there for a while!  On the other hand, DAMN, do you know how many
times I swam in the shallows, walked the beach, and drug my boat around over
sand bars and stuff!!!!!!!  I could have been blown up!



Most locals know about Plum Tree being a bombing range.  But, it's been
generally accepted that decades ago, the place was cleared of unexploded
ordinance.  Come to find out today, they cleared it by visual inspection only.
I had just assumed that they cleared it with metal detectors and the whole 9
yards.  That was back in the 40's or 50's.  Had I known it was visual
inspection only, I wouldn't have been wondering around out there since my high
school days back in the 70's.  Okay - yes I would, but once I hit my 30's I
probably would have wised up and stopped.



The good news is that I'm forced to get out of my rut and go do some
adventuring in other waters that I hardly ever visit.  That will be a good
thing. Silver lining in every cloud, I suppose.



Here's a link to a local News Story.



http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-46954sy0jul20,0,6031420.story?coll=dp
-news-local-final



Rick



BTW - I suppose I really need to get a bombproof roll now..... sorry, I
couldn't stop myself.  :-)
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] There's Bombs in them there waters!
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:57:30 -0400
On 20 Jul 2004 at 16:19, Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com wrote:

> unexploded ordinance.  Come to find out today, they cleared it by
> visual inspection only. I had just assumed that they cleared it with
> metal detectors and the whole 9 yards.  That was back in the 40's or
> 50's. 

There are still mines from WWI under parts of France.  One is a huge 
one - a gazzillion kilos of ordinance in an underground chamber - it 
was well documented in every way except location.  They know roughly 
where it is, but are afraid to dig.  At least your stuff isn't under 
the local pub!  Someone was killed in Italy a couple of days ago when 
he showed a friend some ancient ordinance he found in his yard.  
Military is definitely better at war than at peace.

When I sailed the Chesapeake in '77, we headed out one early morning 
into one of the thickest fogs I'd ever seen.  We knew that there was 
a target area to the east of our course, but were only vaguely aware 
of where we were relative to it.  After a bit, we heard a thump off 
the port beam and seconds later a whuump! to starboard.  Somewhere 
inland they were firing shells and we hoped they were good at getting 
their range.  Shelling continued for several minutes, but it seemed 
like a lot longer. 

That's one reason I prefer paddling Georgian Bay - the only bombing 
runs are from seagulls and Canada geese, and the results of that can 
be washed off.

Mike
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From: Joseph Pylka <jpylka_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] There's Bombs in them there waters!
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:02:46 -0400
Similar stories here in NJ/NY and not just in the water...

	A few years ago a major recovery effort began in the Raritan River
downstream of New Brunswick.  They 'thought' they had cleaned up a lot of
ordnance from an armory and depot that had been there during WW I.  Turned
out there are still lots of grenades, etc.  in the estuarine mud nobody
knew about....  Could still be ongoing for all I know...
	Some of the really good hiking trails above Harriman and Bear Mountain NY
had to be closed a coupla years ago during drought conditions because of
fire hazard.  It was discovered at that time there was a lot of unexploded
ordnance up there, too.  At one the area was used for artillery target
practice by West Pointers.  They later did a sweep and cleared the area
twenty feet away from all the trails.  Now they've gone back to do the
whole area... 
	There was an area along the ocean at Sandy Hook we used to call Shell
Beach because of what would occasionally be exposed along it.  NPS has done
a really good job of cleaning that up...  (see the current issue of
Archaeology Magazine for an article about that area).

Joe P.
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] There's Bombs in them there waters!
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:41:44 -0400
At 04:19 PM 7/20/2004 -0400, Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com wrote:
>"Hey" P'wisers.  I haven't posted much in the last few months... I've been
>having difficult times at work and at home.  But, something came up recently
>that I just had to share with the group.
>[snip]
>First.... DAMN!!!!  That's my back yard and usual paddling spot, and now I
>can't go there for a while!  On the other hand, DAMN, do you know how many
>times I swam in the shallows, walked the beach, and drug my boat around over
>sand bars and stuff!!!!!!!  I could have been blown up!

A couple of years ago I was vacationing a bit south of you in Duck, NC 
(Outer Banks).  The oceanfront house we rented was just down the beach from 
a military installation.  Apparently, prior to development in the area in 
the early 1970's the area was used as a bombing range.  As you drive down 
the road past the military installation there are signs warning to stay out 
of the area because there are unexploded ordinances.  That I knew about.

I was sitting on the beach the first day I was there and noticed what 
appeared to be a small shack floating a few hundred feet off shore.  I had 
a look through my telephoto lens on my camera and could see someone walking 
around a platform that surrounded the "shack".  The next time I looked at 
it about 10 minutes later it appeared that it was getting closer to 
shore.  I watched it for awhile and, because there was a pier just behind 
it, could see that it was definitely moving.  When it got about 200' from 
shore I could see that the "shack" appeared to have metal "legs".  As it 
got closer I could tell that it wasn't floating at all, but actually moving 
along the bottom.  It eventually made it to shore and the "legs" were 
connected to large wheels and it just drove up onto the beach and onto the 
military installation.

I found out later that this "shack" was actually a mine collector.  The 
shoreline near the military installation was heavily protected with mines 
to keep submarines from coming close and they are still finding them.  A 
day or so later I heard a couple of loud explosions coming from the 
military installation and a local said that it was actually fairly common 
for them to find a mine and explode it on land.
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From: Dan McCarty <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] There's Bombs in them there waters!
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:57:37 -0400
John,

Is what you saw shown on this link? 

 http://www.frf.usace.army.mil/vehicles2.stm

There is a research site at Duck run by the the Army Corp of Engineers. As 
far as I know they do research regarding the beach, ocean and atmosphere. 

Later,
Dan McCarty
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