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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Maps (was RE: Alaska Paddling)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:05:45 -0700
Kirby said:
>I was wondering why people haven't heard from the guy in Langford? Answers
a lot of silence. At least you were able to make it out paddling. Karen's
father died several weeks ago and it put a crimp into the paddling end of
it. Along with everything else. Kirby<

Not sure if the above was meant to be sent to the list, but anyway, sorry
for your wife's loss. We only get one father in life.

Thought I'd mention that almost everyone had your Coastal Recreation maps of
Nootka Sound on our recent trip. I understand this is a first edition that
we all had, but a new one is now just out, and like all the new editions,
shows greater demarcation between land mass and bodies of water - something
the original maps lacked and were not liked for by those unable to do the
mental three-dimensional overlay. One of the paddlers had used colored
pencil to "blue-in" the water areas and "green-in" the land mass, but the
new versions should be much better now I understand.

Some of the guys I was paddling with are planning a short trip in the future
to Indian Arm (BC mainland coast), so I'll let them know there is a new map
out on the area.

As for the information on the maps, the only complaint I hear consistently
is that some of the campsites marked are less than ideal. Perhaps a notation
should be added to the more widely know campsites that are of poor quality,
but like I've said to users of your maps before, who is going to make those
subjective decisions. Personally, I'd love it if your maps didn't exist,
then there would be less folks paddling to and fro, and more quality
wilderness experience for me. :-)

But hey, everyone is paddling out there these days; Heather Harbord and Doug
Alderson have new guide books out, so what the heck. Besides, well-informed
paddlers are much safer, so I've always felt the recreation maps provide a
valued service (at a moderate price) for the paddling community.

So when do you start the Alaska series?  :-)

Doug Lloyd (who has no connection to Kirby's company, being just a happy
user of the maps)
Victoria BC (Langford actually, a dog-patch town on the outskirts of
Victoria)
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Maps (was RE: Alaska Paddling)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:40:16 -0700
 "Doug Lloyd" <dalloyd_at_telus.net> wrote:

> Thought I'd mention that almost everyone had your Coastal Recreation maps
of
> Nootka Sound on our recent trip. [snip]

> As for the information on the maps, the only complaint I hear consistently
> is that some of the campsites marked are less than ideal. Perhaps a
notation
> should be added to the more widely know campsites that are of poor quality,
> but like I've said to users of your maps before, who is going to make those
> subjective decisions.

I used an original edition of Kirby's Nootka Sound map, back in 1997, and
found it useful.  We were mainly on the Esperanza Inlet side, but edged down
to the upper end of Nootka Sound.  There was one campsite marked on the map
(on Nooka, just opposite the N end of Bodega Island) which was not usable
(underwater at high tide), but I figured that was just a cartographer's error
or something, and blew it off.  On the other side of the coin, if that site
had not been marked, we might not have gone down that route, and might have
selected a different area.  As it was, we had to trash a horde of small
alders and make our own site, on ground recently logged, maybe six inches
above high water.  Made for a memorable night.

In any case, I did not find so much detail the map ruined my sense of
adventure, and would not want campsite quality to be marked.  That's part of
the fun -- to find these things out for yourself.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Maps (was RE: Alaska Paddling)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:51:26 -0700
> Some of the guys I was paddling with are planning a short trip in the
future
> to Indian Arm (BC mainland coast), so I'll let them know there is a new
map
> out on the area.
>

Tell them not to plan it for longer than a weekend :-)... There is about 17
km
from Deep Cove rental shop (the best launch site, no gates to close at 10
pm like at Barnett park), and up to Granite Falls at the end of the fiord.
On weekends it feels like on some highway there, with all those power boats
going in the same direction or coming back.   I wonder about air
quality in Indian Arm in such a smog-potential weather like now, compared to
nearby Vancouver areas (Burnaby etc), with usual afternoon *in*flow wind
blowing from Burnaby into the Arm.  There are no cars or factories on
surrounding mountains, but not much ventilation either. Except for natural
filtering by forest.
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