Re: [Paddlewise] Nadgee, Max, Boat Copying / moving on

Peter, for some reason your response came before my original on Paddlewise
again. This time I don't think it was my fault. My later e-mail asking about
the Seguin designer was also published ahead of it.

Peter wrote concerning padeyes:
>>>>>>The sharp turns of the
boat are themselves a risk: check this:
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/localnews/current/gl/08-12-04-
359464.html<<<<

I didn't know about this "stabbing by kayak" incident until I read the above
article. A few months ago, though, I wrote on Paddlewise:
"I could put the shoe on the other foot:
Peter, you paddle a kayak with pointed ends in the surf. You therefore risk
spearing an innocent victim with your dagger like bow. You should be aware
that this is a possibility and therefore at least pad your pointed bow and
stern with some large blunt soft item. In fact, I think Australia, having
such an abundance of surf, should pass a law that each end of any kayak made
from now on should have a large clown nose ball-shaped bow and stern so if
that kayak is used in the surf then it would be less of a danger to the
paddler, swimmers, surfacing skin divers, and near surface wildlife in the
area. All kayaks without round blunt ends should need to be retrofitted or
retired within the next two years. Since any kayak could potentially be used
in the surf maybe all kayaks worldwide should have this blunt bow and stern
shape and all kayakers should also be required to buy a helmet to go with
any kayak they buy kayak just in case that kayak might at some time be used
in the surf."

Looking further back in my old saved e-mails I found these from the land of
Oz:

"You guessed right.  (Name of builder) liked the lines on the Mariner Max,
so he got the cross-sections out of the Sea Kayaker.  He blew them up on a
photocopier and then cut the stations out of chipboard and mounted them on
an aluminum tube.  He then skinned it with heavy cardboard and bogged it to
final shape.  When I visited you in 1996, I paddled the Max (and liked it.)
You may recall that I mentioned to you at the time about (Name's) efforts
in Australia.  After I got back to Oz, I told (Name) the Max had CHINES,
which the computer had rounded off.  He bogged some on and made a fiberglass
prototype by using the mock-up as a male mold.  The prototype was pretty
heavy and rough on the outside, but gave him an idea of what changes he
wanted to make.  He subsequently made a number of modifications and started
production. "

The builder was CC'ed this, so knew what I'd been told already. I contacted
the builder about his intentions in regards to sales in America. This is a
small part of his response in Jan. of  2003.

"As (Name) told you, I got the profiles from your Max out of Sea Kayaker
magazine, enlarged them
and overlaid them on the profiles I had already drawn."

So you were right Peter, it looks likely I was told that someone in Oz was
attempting to use the Max offsets in Sea Kayaker to make himself a kayak
(although I still don't recall that part of the long conversations I had
with the visitor eight years ago). But, if you knew that I had been informed
about this, then you must also have known about the builders use of the Max
offsets from your informant. Why couldn't you admit such on this forum? I
certainly gave you many chances.

Also, please recall that you opened this whole can of worms by asking a
direct question to me:

 "No guess necessary, as posted several times, a Nadgee Expedition. What is
the hull design history of this boat?"

I answered your direct question. Do you always find it this hard to answer
direct questions? Does this have something to do with your training or
profession? Is answering direct questions something I should learn to avoid
doing, as well?

Matt Broze
www.marinerkayaks.com
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