G'Day Paddlewise, In response to my limerick a couple of people enquired back channel why I couldn't roll the Kahuna. Heres the problem. The front rib in the cockpit digs painfully into my knees. I've asked Feathercraft and their agents whether they can supply a pad or something that could work as a knee brace. When they said they could they wound up sending me a hip pad, I offered to hang on to the hip pad but asked again if they could sell me a proper knee brace - haven't heard from them since. Does anyone know if Feathercraft make a knee brace for the Kahuna? I'm going to have a shot at making my own but don't have a workshop any more. All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
PeterO, I have had some success with minicell foam thigh pads underdeck on my Folbot Kodiak, which has a frame crossmember that whacks my knee/lower thigh area pretty bad. The thigh pads build out the underdeck area, transferring the thigh/knee pressure and spreading it out. I contact cemented fuzzy Velcro to the underside of the deck and likewise attached hook Velcro to the minicell pads so compact folding of the skin is retained. I'll send some photos if you like -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "PeterO" <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au> > Does anyone know if Feathercraft make a knee brace for the Kahuna? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave wrote: > I have had some success with minicell foam thigh pads G'Day and thanks Dave, Velcro sounds a good way to go - I'ld really appreciate seeing the photos. I was thinking of building up a pair of half slotted foam or rubber pads which could hook on to the cross member but can well imagine them working loose during paddling. All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 8/10/2004 2:54:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au writes: In response to my limerick a couple of people enquired back channel why I couldn't roll the Kahuna. Heres the problem. The front rib in the cockpit digs painfully into my knees. I've asked Feathercraft and their agents whether they can supply a pad or something that could work as a knee brace. I taped some pipe insulation around the front rib of my Feathercraft K-Light. Helps a lot, stays in place, nothing to remove or attach or interfere with assembly or disassembly. Tony Niilus *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Does anyone know if Feathercraft make a knee brace for the Kahuna? No. They make hip fit (merely bags with straps) that fits any their model, and thigh braces for K1, but I'm not sure if it can be adapted to Kahuna. You may ask them specifically. Picture can be seen at http://www.ecomarine.com/equipment/buy/partsFeathercraft.jhtml --> go to the second page. Plates sure can be used (and are sold separately), but those tubes - I don't know. I had annoying contact with lower rib in the calf area, and done somethign similar to T. Niilus - taped closed-cell foam around it. Foam glued to the under-deck, as Dave suggested, may work too. May be glue Velcros only, and attach/detach foam pads. PS: you message return address contained Feathercraft e-mail, when I pressed "reply all" - good thing I've noticed that... Let's keep them in the darkness of ignorance, modifying their boats :-)... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
When I bought my Kahuna from Folding Kayak Adventures in Seattle, the owner (name escapes me, as do many things lately) was looking at fitting knee braces from one of their larger boats into the Kahuna by drilling holes for the braces in the rolling PE ribs rather than the standard PC ribs. I checked back a few weeks later and he felt that the knee braces would get in the way of a wet exit, but I've been wondering if there was a way to take that concept and fit something that would provide a solid point for a brace but not get in the way for exiting. As my mechanical skills revolve around telling someone else what I want done and not doing it myself, I've not pursued it, but it might work as a starting point. Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:41:58 +1000 From: "PeterO" <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au> Subject: [Paddlewise] Kahuna Knee Brace/Pad Does anyone know if Feathercraft makes a knee brace for the Kahuna? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hey Folks, I called and asked the good people at FC about this about 3 months ago. Apparently, the ribs on the Kahuna and the K1 are made of different materials, and the "cheaper" materials used on the kahuna ribs won't take to drilling (as is required to install the K1 knee braces). The individual mentioned they are thinking about offering the ribs in the more expensive material, but gave no indicator as to a time frame... HTH -Thomas Jim Plaia <jimplaia_at_sisna.com> wrote: When I bought my Kahuna from Folding Kayak Adventures in Seattle, the owner (name escapes me, as do many things lately) was looking at fitting knee braces from one of their larger boats into the Kahuna by drilling holes for the braces in the rolling PE ribs rather than the standard PC ribs. I checked back a few weeks later and he felt that the knee braces would get in the way of a wet exit, but I've been wondering if there was a way to take that concept and fit something that would provide a solid point for a brace but not get in the way for exiting. As my mechanical skills revolve around telling someone else what I want done and not doing it myself, I've not pursued it, but it might work as a starting point. New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thomas Wrote: >>I called and asked the good people at FC about this about 3 months ago. Apparently, the ribs on the Kahuna and the K1 are made of different materials, and the "cheaper" materials used on the kahuna ribs won't take to drilling (as is required to install the K1 knee braces). The individual mentioned they are thinking about offering the ribs in the more expensive material, but gave no indicator as to time frame... The Kahuna ribs are Polycarbonate plastic and the more expensive FC boats use High Density Polyethylene ( HDPE). The easiest solution is to make your own replacement rib of HDPE. Just use the Kahuna rib ( number 2) as a pattern and trace it onto HDPE with a permanent marker and use a 5/8" forstner bit to drill the holes. Drilling and cutting HDPE can be done with standard wood bits and blades. It's easier to work with than plywood. Many plastic retailers sell HDPE and often they have scraps they will sell you. 1/2" works fine. If you can't find HDPE locally, buy a large HDPE kitchen cutting board. Though the Kahuna uses polycarbonate plastic, I priced it against an equal size sheet of HDPE and it cost 3 times as much. Another interesting fact about the Kahuna is it's use of 6063 aluminum tubing vs 6061 for the " more expensive" FC's) 6063-T832 has nearly the same tensile ( 40,000psi) and yield strength as 6061-T6, and more importantly is rated higher in corrosion resistance. Go figure ! http://yostwerks.com/Maintenance1a.html<http://yostwerks.com/Maintenance1a. html> - Making a cross section Have fun, Tom *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> the ribs on the Kahuna and the K1 are made of different materials, and the "cheaper" materials used on the kahuna ribs won't take to drilling Not really . Polycarbonate ribs of Kahuna are more difficult to process than HDPE, and material itself isn't cheaper. If I recall it correct, they used Polycarbonate ribs in Kahuna to decrease number of ribs and/or weight, still preserving same structural stregth. You could use HDPE instead - it is widely available and strong enough for that purpose. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
PeterO wrote: - >a couple of people enquired back channel why I >couldn't roll the Kahuna. Heres the problem. >The front rib in the cockpit digs painfully into >my knees. G'Day And thanks to all who replied to my enquiry on Paddlewise and back channel, (including the Feathercraft company). Here's a summary: - 1. Dave Kruger has a very effective looking design and supplied me the photographs. Roughly speaking it involves four shaped minicell foam pads, attached to the underside of the fabric deck using velcro. The velcro was glued to the deck using solvent-based Weldwood cement. The pads 'sandwich' the front and back of the offending rib on the port and starboard sides. 2. For a quick solution Niilus suggested taping pipe insulation around the front rib. 3. Alex and Jim Plaia discussed adapting the K1 plate knee braces but there was a suggestion that this could make wet exits awkward and Thomas Aname provided a timely warning not to try drilling into the polycarbonate rib if making such an adaptation. 4. Tom Yost suggested a method for making an HDPE rib, which could be drilled, from a kitchen cutting board. Great Idea. Beryl is going to kill me when she comes home :~) And I wrote to Feathercraft and said if they ever wanted a knee brace for their Kahuna, Paddlewise had a bunch of paddlers with some great ideas. (But I kept the ideas secret!) Thank you all, I'll let you know how it pans out once the weather gets a bit warmer.. All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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