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From: bill hansen <bhansen2_at_twcny.rr.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] copying Seguin , and Rob Bryan,
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:54:23 -0400
Matt Broze asked for the name of the designer of Seguin. Seguin was 
designed by Rob Bryan, of South Harpswell Maine. Rob marketed the plans 
through advertisements in Sea Kayaker magazine for several years, but he no 
longer markets them, having sold the rights to The Wooden Boat Works. Rob 
also designed a wider boat with less freeboard. That boat was, for a while, 
marketed by The Wooden Boat Works as "Sasanoa" (I think I have the name 
right). Wooden Boat Works used the design to promote a S&G hull with a 
woodstrip deck. I don't know if Sasanoa is still marketed.

I built a Seguin several years ago, and liked it fairly well. However, 
after partial recovery from a serious neck injury I lost the ability to 
roll that kayak, and I wanted a boat which was more playful, and of course 
one I could roll. I modified my second Seguin by taking an inch off the 
freeboard (side panels), drastically reducing the dead-drop of the the keel 
in the central third of the boat (somewhat flattening out the keel there), 
incorporating a lot more rocker into the keel both fore and aft, and moving 
the cockpit back about 3 inches (the original Seguin had quite a lee helm 
in winds of 20 kts or more). I planned to call the boat "Seguin II". I 
asked Rob what he wanted as a license fee for a second Seguin, and he told 
me that I had modified the design so much that it wasn't a Seguin any more, 
and no license fee was needed.

That second Seguin, now called "Dolphin", is still my favorite boat to 
paddle, almost four years later. It rolls easily, turns on a dime, and 
surfs waves well. It is not a fast boat, nor is it a boat which would hold 
more than a few days' worth of tripping gear. The best news is that in this 
boat and in my Romany 16, which I've now sold, I have my roll back on both 
sides. Some of my paddling buddies, whose goal is to do a C-to-C roll with 
their head on the foredeck, smile indulgently at my C-to-C roll, which 
sometimes has a little forward sweep at the end of it. My stiff old neck 
won't lay down on my shoulder, and on my bad days my hip snap is not what 
it once was. But I do come up, and I haven't drowned yet.

BTW - Doug Lloyd mentioned hatch cover designs. Dolphin's hatches are made 
out of her deck, with plywood lips beneath the deck. The closures are 
turnbuttons which crank two wooden bars up against the hatch lips, four 
contact points for each hatch. There are thin double gaskets on hatch and 
hatch lip. Over the four years I've paddled her, the compartments have 
remained bone dry. and now that I've said that, it's time for one of those 
hatches to start leaking a bit - and then I'll replace one of the gaskets 
and expect a dry compartment again.

Blub blub.....Bill Hansen 
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From: MICHAEL SILVIUS <M.Silvius_at_worldnet.att.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] copying Seguin , and Rob Bryan,
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:45:27 -0400
Bill:
My fault, I for some odd reason kept thinking his name ended in a T.
My mistake. It is as you point out Rob Bryan is the correct spelling.
Do you happen to have any pictres of your "Dolphin"???
I'd love to see what it looks like with less taken off the sides than I did.
I lowered my Seguin's sides to 4 inches.
BTW do you have an e-mail address for Mr Bryan.
as for hatches I went w/ 8"  marine press in deck plates by Bomar.
they work well, are 100% watertight and the small diameter forces me to
travel light  :-)
michael

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bill hansen" <bhansen2_at_twcny.rr.com>

> Matt Broze asked for the name of the designer of Seguin. Seguin was
> designed by Rob Bryan, of South Harpswell Maine. Rob marketed the plans
> through advertisements in Sea Kayaker magazine for several years, but he
no
> longer markets them, having sold the rights to The Wooden Boat Works. Rob
> also designed a wider boat with less freeboard. That boat was, for a
while,
> marketed by The Wooden Boat Works as "Sasanoa" (I think I have the name
> right). Wooden Boat Works used the design to promote a S&G hull with a
> woodstrip deck. I don't know if Sasanoa is still marketed.
>
> I built a Seguin several years ago, and liked it fairly well. However,
> after partial recovery from a serious neck injury I lost the ability to
> roll that kayak, and I wanted a boat which was more playful, and of course
> one I could roll. I modified my second Seguin by taking an inch off the
> freeboard (side panels), drastically reducing the dead-drop of the the
keel
> in the central third of the boat (somewhat flattening out the keel there),
> incorporating a lot more rocker into the keel both fore and aft, and
moving
> the cockpit back about 3 inches (the original Seguin had quite a lee helm
> in winds of 20 kts or more). I planned to call the boat "Seguin II". I
> asked Rob what he wanted as a license fee for a second Seguin, and he told
> me that I had modified the design so much that it wasn't a Seguin any
more,
> and no license fee was needed.
>
> That second Seguin, now called "Dolphin", is still my favorite boat to
> paddle, almost four years later. It rolls easily, turns on a dime, and
> surfs waves well. It is not a fast boat, nor is it a boat which would hold
> more than a few days' worth of tripping gear. The best news is that in
this
> boat and in my Romany 16, which I've now sold, I have my roll back on both
> sides. Some of my paddling buddies, whose goal is to do a C-to-C roll with
> their head on the foredeck, smile indulgently at my C-to-C roll, which
> sometimes has a little forward sweep at the end of it. My stiff old neck
> won't lay down on my shoulder, and on my bad days my hip snap is not what
> it once was. But I do come up, and I haven't drowned yet.
>
> BTW - Doug Lloyd mentioned hatch cover designs. Dolphin's hatches are made
> out of her deck, with plywood lips beneath the deck. The closures are
> turnbuttons which crank two wooden bars up against the hatch lips, four
> contact points for each hatch. There are thin double gaskets on hatch and
> hatch lip. Over the four years I've paddled her, the compartments have
> remained bone dry. and now that I've said that, it's time for one of those
> hatches to start leaking a bit - and then I'll replace one of the gaskets
> and expect a dry compartment again.
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