Just to tweak a few memories... Caveman (John Gray) participated in a few of the kayaking threads but I think mostly on WaveLength. The last thread he participated in was the discussion on making lifevests mandatory for *all* kayaking trips. For a guy that spends probably most of his waking life on or in the water, he couldn't see the logic in an expert waterman wearing a lifevest in familiar waters and listed surfers, snorkelers, free divers, etc. as examples. Diehards clung to the 100% rule and Caveman decided to... well, logoff and go sea kayaking :-). Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I paddled with Caveman John Gray about 8 years ago in NYC harbor. We went one of those regular trip on weekends to the Statue of Liberty. Gray was in town to receive an award from the Smithsonian or some such group. He and I teamed up in one of his double inflatables, one of his own design that was manufactured for him. He is a strong paddler having raced in Hawaii but we got caught in a strong counter current in front of Ellis Island, which was on the trip itinerary. It took all our might to get clear. A group of other kayakers were blown back and went around via the backside of Ellis to make any head way heading home to Manhattan. I also met David Williams a few times. My understanding is that Caveman was disenchanted with happenings in Thailand and left but that is based on what was said quite a few years ago. I lost touch with him awhile ago. ralph diaz *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> My understanding is that Caveman was disenchanted with happenings in > Thailand and left but that is based on what was said quite a few years ago. > I lost touch with him awhile ago. Hi Ralph, I get the impression he may be living in Hawaii but still conducts tours in Thailand, Vietnam, Fiji, Philippines and Hawaii. If you check his website at http://www.johngray-seacanoe.com/guest_comments.php he has comments from customers regarding the tours through the end of October this year and many take place in Thailand. Maybe we will learn something positive soon. I hope so. Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Well, this excerpt from his website may explain where he is: http://www.johngray-seacanoe.com/profile/index.htm After 12 years designing and developing one of the World's most highly awarded Ecotourism companies, John "Caveman" Gray goes his own way by forming "John Gray's SeaCanoe" with 18 of his most loyal and experienced guides. "After 12 years in Phuket, the experiment ran its course and I was packing for Polynesia," says Gray, "but when all these guides showed up, I had no choice but to stay and do another start-up." "I owe it to the guys for their loyalty, honesty and pride, and to Thailand, which has yet to see our best." Unlike his old experimental company where Gray gave away the shares to local people, Caveman is managing director of the new company. "In the economic laboratory, I played consultant/observer. Now I'm director of the movie - it's a different story." *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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