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From: Joyce Family <tfj4_at_comcast.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Emergency Coverings
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:29:50 -0600
Anybody have opinions on/experience with cheap, light, emergency coverings:
durability, efficacy, ease of use, etc.?  I'm think of anything from heavy
duty garbage bags (pennies) to "space blankets" (couple of bucks) to very
light space-blanket style bivvies (tens of bucks), and the like.  The
situation is you're out in the bush but you are not near your tent/tarp or
natural shelter but you need more protection than your clothing.

Thanks.

Tom
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From: Richard Birdsey <birdseyclan_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Emergency Coverings
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:59:43 +1100
Hi Tom, I have used survival bivys for years which are essentially a 
large heavy PVC bivy bag which you set up under shelter (overhang, log 
cave etc) and crawl into to keep you dry and out of the wind. They do 
not have any thermal properties (ie not silver lined) so combining them 
with a space blanket or two is very effective. They are simple, cheap, 
pack down to nothing and are light. You can use them as pack liners, 
waterproofing packs when floating across deep rivers etc. There are 
heaps of different types for 1, 2 or more people and I've seen them as 
simple tents.

I also carry an army surplus hoochie (fly but with heaps of loops, 
riveted holes etc) which you can pick up very cheap. They take a heap of 
abuse and you can clip them together to make one large tarp. Just 
fantastic things.

Richard
Sydney, Australia.
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From: John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Emergency Coverings
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:57:24 +1300
Hi Tom,

It is a requirement of most adventure races over here that competitors carry
a survival blanket. I have never liked them, after using one, and have
always wondered about the reasoning behind that. Last year one of our major
events had a hard time from the weather, and survival blankets did little to
help in the wet, cold, windy (read mountain hypothermia). This year
competitors carried large plastic bags.

One time I have used a survival blanket in a wet, windy emergency, it simply
tore into pieces. 

I carry a large plastic bag that wrapped kitchen appliances (free from a
shop) which allows several people in together. This helps with generating
heat, as well as the support from a team. Remember, if one member of a party
is in trouble it is likely others are too.

A nylon fly sheet is another option.

Cheers

JKA

-- 
John Kirk-Anderson
Banks Peninsula
NEW ZEALAND
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Emergency Coverings
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:30:30 -0800
> > bought a North Face 35 degree Polarguard Delta bag from Campmor.com
> > and it squishes down to about the size of a grapefruit. Pop it in a
> > plastic bag and it would be windproof and reasonably dry inside.

I wonder which one would it be.  I'm currently using 3-lb semi-barrel 31F
(0C) goose down bag, and it barely fits into 8"x10" sack. I hang it fully
unfolded in a closet at home, - this is what manual recommends, and all
other sources recommend the same for down sleeping bags.  Pressing it into
nalgen bottle will keep it dry, but will shorten its life (or decrease
thermal quality), shrinking insulation irreversibly.
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From: Jim Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Emergency Coverings
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:13:18 -0500
>> <>bought a North Face 35 degree Polarguard Delta bag from Campmor.com
>

>>> <>I wonder which one would it be. I'm currently using 3-lb 
>>> semi-barrel 31F
>>> (0C) goose down bag, and it barely fits into 8"x10" sack.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wasnt sure if Alex was asking which North Face bag I had 
>>> purchased.  It is the Equinox.  The stuff size is 7.5" x 13" but can 
>>> be compressed much further with the synch straps on the factory 
>>> sack. I have a pic of it scrunched if interested.
>>

Jim et al
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